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...only UNKNOWN is whether the NOL proceeds pay out before or after Claimants 1-7..................the IRS/SEC regs. are vague when a petitioner is a claimant...............along with numerous other requirements.....(no change of ownership by the poolee, etc.)..............
...pre........1-7...........$7.14..............post............$2.50 +/-........................ez math, imo...............
...too late to play, regardless..................may as well hang on..............some of US - US have been playing here for 6+ years.................................ain't leaving........EVER...............fcnca or not.................
...jeff..................talk to the little people about your OPINION..............TYIA......................
...supply and demand in a free market..........................
...neither of these 3 exist here with UWBKQ, imo................
...quite obvious and VERIFIED that a highly complicated legal process is ongoing within the UWBI BK case..............may not impact the UWBKQ s/p (ahem!!!!)..............but whatever the SIGNOR for UWB vs OCC agreed to is being navigated through an intricate legal pathway.............VENABLE LLP might be the architect since FCNCA is apparently the main party in this weird arrangement...................
...and that ITR no one cares about..........the best clue yet although hitting up kimmy for the POWER LAWYERS legal fees is proof positive..............
...there you go again, Pindar1...............giving OPINIONS......................what is larry's opinion on all of this.........?????.............
...NOL can be purchased via a stock pooling and conversion........the SEC has rigid rules which are further restricted by a BK............and the IRS regs. per 382 outline how the NOL's can be used........................
...OUR - OUR theory is that the sale of the NOL FUNDS the CSSA........and complies with the BK and SEC maze........it appears as if FCNCA purchased the NOL with proceeds from a preferred stock issuance..........and UWBI can literally WITHDRAW the BK petition........another rumor of late........
...crystal clear what is transpiring.............very impressive, imo...................legal gamesmanship..................
...and this super high power law firm goes to our little kimmy for legal fees...............either preposterous or further PROOF of our THEORY...............ok, Pindar1's theory.................
...UWBKQ s/p is MEANINGLESS..............stock does not TRADE............try to load up on this offal and you'll get a one-way van ride to Butner, NC.........................
...now the difficult part of this post............OPINION WAIVER............jeff's...............oh wait, PINDAR1.....................this is HE BE's..............
...in the blink of an eye..........UWBI CASE CLOSED..............
...per BK law, HARVEY'S gotta submit the FDIC-authored POL...............UWBI BOD (???) issues a statement...............
...claimants satisfied..............UWBKQ shareholders informed of an estimated p/s SD..........ETC.................
...ultimately, WE - WE merge into one big happy FAMILY............friends of frankie.................
...what a long, strange trip it's been..........................
...aimho..........................Elliott's.......not mine......jeff said to stay off social media and MB's until this mess is officially closed............................
...equity dilution is only about 10% of assets...$220MM........
...bank's operations meet all Fed's metrics.......return on assets, return on paid-in-capital, efficiency ratio...........ETC.......merger with SC FC will add some short-term dilution.......................
...FCNCA is putting up $220MM in preferred stock.............which has no impact on operations...................and FCNCA might be getting $368MM in an NOL which FCNCA can use for 20-years to off-set taxable NOI...............and FCNCA nets about $180MM in annual taxable income................at a 35%+ tax rate federal income taxes are about $96MM/yr (2013)..................two years worth of tax savings = about $192MM in federal taxes............
...so essentially, the preferred stock is a WASH..........might be some intangible benefits................."intangible," frankie...........is that a good word, frankie......??????......
...that's my opinion...............probably more going on with all of this...................................who cares....?????
...NOL sale is part of CSSA......complications++++...............
...and the BK CT holds jurisdiction - - although the beagles have kept the CSSA out of the BK CT...............the IRS & co. are assisting with the NOL and the SEC/OCC & co. need the stock pooling conversion to comply with the MAGNA CARTA.........two GARGANTUAN projects..................all within the little-bitty UWBI BK...........................and the UWB CSSA...................VENABLE LLP might be running the table on this entire MONSTER..............might be...........rather ingenious solution to the WRONGFUL SEIZURE, imo......
...probably a done deal and very, very near CLOSURE.........all the FCNCA preferred stock issue requirements are met..............we simply need the IRS/SEC/OCC/FDIC stamps................this takes a few thousand billable hours...................still not a prob...........
...only question is whether the NOL proceeds blanket claimants 1-7....................and if BS/EMP's get their take pre stallion number eight....................$2.50 p/s or $7.14.......????....
...btw, my stock has been converted to FCNCA........so my world is 100% FCNCA.............as is frankie's...................
.........opine, jeff................WE - WE just did...........
...spot on, Mr. LGL................our legal peeps also point out conflicts between the SEC pooling requirements within the BK CT........AND........the IRS 382 rules on the NOL...........within a BK.................................
...WE - WE are confident the VENABLE LLP freaks and the FDIC beagles will solve any legal challenge on getting this deal done......................these animals will figure out how to draft up the documents - - probably already have...........
...cash and/or frankie federal preferred stock is piled in corner number 8..........FACT.........just not sure how much......
...done deal, imo.......................the devil is in the details and so are our settlement proceeds...........aging nicely, btw.....
...credit to Mr. LGL for staying with the NOL..........makes our money back.....................very cool...............
...WE - WE are navigating the IRS 382 limits, the BK/SEC rules on the NOL, the FDIC regs./DODD FRANK on bank mergers and a host of other legal restrictions.........the NOL proceeds - - in whatever form - - must flow thru all claimants.........ALL............even with a backdoor BK..............a classic legal morass....................
...ultimately.........................the holding company, as a claimant..............................is satisfied........very cool logic matrices.............................might only be the $80MM we started with.........................original HARVEY = final HARVEY..............................wild card is the FDIC settles with claimants 1-7...............then the holding company gets the full amount of the NOL sale...................doubtful..........
...opes............??????..............girlie girls are back.......soiling the MB...................
...twins want this one..............they're back as well.........
...UWBKQ mystery solved....HYPE HARVEY prevails.............
...minor tweaks per the IRS and SEC and FDIC........but in the end the BK ESTATE distributes the NOL proceeds - - as the law requires...............unclear if frankie federal's preferred drives the truck..............who cares..........??????........not sure the respective $$$$$$ amounts......HARVEY = $2.65 p/s in conversion.......hopefully, the final distribution to Claimant #8 will be higher than the original HARVEY..........................
...so close the deal, marty and we all move on................
...wewonders if mr. shakespeare would've taken to this TRAGEDY.........stage a DRAMA................unveil the mysteries of JACKBOOTS in AMERIKA........
...aimho............mine or yours, jeff........?????.......
...there's an 18-month IRS statutory limit on the pooling conversion - - in order to protect the NOL transfer - - the 18 months begin at the claims deadline date................we did try to establish a 2nd claims deadline date but there are other constraints with this MONSTER............IRS, SEC, BK, OCC, FDIC.........FDIC.........FDIC.......FDIC........
...the longer this TRANSACTION drags out............the more CREATIVE the entire arrangement becomes..............
...could be 610 cool after all.........or L650 Fly.........might even invite the VENABLE LLP team to 'the party'........
...are we still doing opinion disclaimers, jeff............??????........if so, then let larry take this one.....................
...the CSSA is long complete....impossible to UNRAVEL now......
...the logistics of CLOSING the transactions are very, very COMPLICATED....................it appears as if FCNCA wants the IRS/SEC/FDIC/OCC legal compliance opinions locked up before the final settlement and stock pooling conversion.................and of course, the UWBI BK judicial oversight shrouds the MESS............
...this fine wine is getting better with age..................
...fairly obvious that a simple quickie "bank" bank-ruptcy with absolutely no assets (NOL of $368MM - - per the FDIC - - hello) and $60MM in established claims would have been zapped months ago.............stamp the POL and shred the TP...............................and yet we have dozens of legal dogs working 24/7 with documents piled higher than Mt. Everest......................................and that NOL was worth $220MM in funkie frankie stock...............maybe we "like" VENABLE LLP..........?????........$7.14 p/s "like".......
...aimho...............................very cool..........
...agreed, the conversion SHOULD be higher than it is............
...FCNCA did a dirty deed and now has the opportunity to buy $368MM for about $220MM - - in newly-issued stock..........which doesn't even impact its net capital Tier II...........................
...but we have the IRS and SEC and FDIC and OCC and their band of rapid legal beagles CRAFTING this MONSTER...................too big for the rabbi......................the FDIC is probably working on the final draft of the UWBI NOL........how weird is that......?????
...however, HONEY Wild Turkey (this stuff is great) and $7.14 p/s of UWBKQ changed into frankie's federalist paper works for me..........and WE - WE might enjoy being partners with honey bobo/VENABLE LLP...........dance with the devil, so to speak........1 for 30 +/-, if larry's math is correct............usually not...................................
...aimho......................opinion only..................all dreamers are asked to complete his/her own DD before investing in bankrupt, worthless, pink sheet STOCKS - - like UWBKQ..........
.......IRS 382......WTF is that all about, frankie....?????....
...IRS, FDIC, SEC, OCC.................frankie........you've got a lot of JACKBOOTS in the room.......why....?????.......and now the IRS............who is the IRS...?????....and what is IT doing in my bank....................ok, OUR BANK, frankie..........
...so frankie............I get it...............FCNCA is buying into UWBI for the NOL and to complete the UWB/OCC CSSA.......and shareholders in UWBKQ get a specified number of shares in this new special preferred FCNCA.....................very cool, frankie......and it kinda looks like VENABLE LLP is playing herein as well.........wheeler dealers, frankie.........VENABLE got you into this MESS, frankie and now VENABLE is trying to keep you from bunking in Butner, NC..........
...btw, frankie, the IRS 382 rules pertaining to NOLs and publicly-traded stocks in BK REQUIRE the conversion within 18 months of the "claims deadline".................among other provisions..........DEEP, frankie..........we've got about 30 days to close this deal, frankie...........
...having you by the balls, frankie, is partial redemption for those of us dutiful UWBI gents......................
...aimho...............................all mine................
...hope VENABLE wired up the FCNCAp/UWBI NOL stock conversion.......
...will bring relief and redemption to the UWBKQ folks who held on........................WIN WIN WIN WIN, frankie...........
............80 pennies per.....................................
...does NOT work for me......where did this come from....????...
...math: 88 less corpses 1-7, with haicuts........BS/EMPs cut and dirtbag no. 8 gets sloppy eights............26........+/-........
...wethinks the frat boys got drunk again.............Jeff.....?????.........
..............opinions hereon...........not mine.....??????
...no choice.....can't get in....or out of this ROADKILL..........
...trading is absolutely FROZEN.................liquidity in a nasdaq stock = at least 1% of outstanding per day, or 5% a week..................VOLATILITY = a doubling, 2% daily and 10% weekly..................MINIMUM......................
...we don't even touch 1% or 300,000 shares in a MONTH.......a f-ing month.............this stock doesn't trade........hasn't since the Tradeinfraud/kimmy phone sex scandal last Aug..........
...larry says not to get chatty on a social media MB...........so I better cut the dialogue..........for now..........
...we'll probably come out of this with a nice CHUNK..........
...when an objective observer steps back and looks at the entirety of what happened.....................all should be well that ends well.........................
...the FDIC took control of this MONSTER after amy let the bank sue.......................the FDIC is very skilled with the entire process, including BK - - which the FDIC detests, imo - - and the FDIC tosses around GARGANTUAN amounts of money - gives it and takes it............................we just might get a sizable piece and some of frankie's dirty paper.............fin fifty when the moon dust settles, in some folks' opinion........not mine.......I no longer opine......................do you, larry.......???????......
...anyhoot..........................longer chase = better and bigger CATCH...................
...the deal has long been finalized.....BK CT process slows...
...gotta "satisfy" a few folks...............before number 8 gets any.......................nice lever play for us..............
...bad boys get all recoveries without a fight and these will total much, much more than number 8's ultimate payoff, imo..........
...still cannot solve the FCNCA involvement......total mystery.....
...also very strange no one got handcuffed over this ACTION.........yet, anyway.................
...the process is long in the tooth.................time.........
...have faith..............opinions only hereon......
........HARVEY'S POL...........= the end......................
...ok, there might be a tighter FDIC-R request to move the ITR into outer space......................at any moment.......the JUDGE outlined what was missing in the original filing...........ez.....
...out of nowhere will come HARVEY'S close out............the final POL might be authored by the FDIC beagles.............will be, imo............"claimants satisfied" - - states the TRUSTEES......that's a little bit wordy, but it will suffice......
...then the UWBKQ BOD/SEC whispers some vague description of an SD................................nice.......................
...game over............aimho.............who else would....??????
.....frankie federal s & l preferred stock conversion..............
...has always been the undefined wild card associated with this mess......................not sure how frankie FITS.........yet...
...we know that FCNCA's BOD has authorized the issuance of a specified number of preferred stock shares for an undefined purpose, imo.........and the stock has limited voting powers, imo.....
...Wellington Management appears to own about 9.74% of FCNCA common and has some unknown relationship with FCNCA and the FDIC, imo......................
...maybe FCNCA is involved in the UWB/OCC/FDIC CSSA............and maybe not..................only certainty is uncertainty and not one party involved with all of UWBI has denied any possible involvement........................
...very interesting possibility.........and we like this........
.....HARVEY'S POL will close this case........................
...should be released very soon..............................
...it looks like Auntie Li wanted a change of scenery and was familiar with this flowery, boutique bank in leafy LA............she knows the UWB settlement terms and will probably get an agreed-to bonus payment after BS is paid.............these deferred settlement payments to individual lawyers who leave a firm are standard...........................another indicator that UWB entered into a stipulation, imo........................
...once again, this "case" will end some day...................
...and WE - WE are liking the frankie participation - - A WHOLE BUNCH...................makes the 3-dollar-bill a FIN+...........
...I'm winded again, larry.................so you do the opinion disclaimer on this one.........we hear the FASCIST JACKBOOTS are tracking all social media sites..............wow..............
......appears as if the CSSA is SPRINGING LEAKS..................
...even the UWBI BK cannot go on forever.............and the FDIC/R is probably doing a 24-7 on the ITR re-write.................
...we were told by OUR - OUR counsel that a BK TRUSTEE must aggressively claim any and all BK petitioner assets, particularly LIQUID ASSETS...............................or the claimants can take the TRUSTEE down..............hello........??????..........
...only reason a CLAIMANT would not demand every penny the BK petitioner may have is because the CLAIMANT is otherwise "satisfied".....................really.......???????.........
...if Lebron goes to the Lakers, I'm going to refile our APPEAL............................unless we get the $3 p/s in cash and a 1 for 93 in frankie's special preferred...............
...THIS "case" is a FREAK SHOW.................bigtime lunacy....................INSANE.........................
...I ain't giving an opinion disclaimer, larry...............I'm taking my talents to the FCNCA iHUB message board................
...Luther Burbank Savings and Loan - - general counsel..........
...very weird - - she's been there two months........why would she walk away from BS with a $30MM contingency payment in the mail....?????....she would've personally received about 10%+ of the UWB payoff......................
...maybe show lost the UWB vs OCC/FDIC case and left BS in DISGRACE...............
...my peeps will run with this Auntie Li news...............might be some type of legal gamesmanship by the Luther Burbank entity...........up against the OCC......?????.........
...larry, WTF is going on with Auntie Li...................Los Angeles................??????..........where is that.....??????
...load it up, Mr. PUMA........................
...Auntie Li appears in promos but is not on the official BS marquis..............
...I called her and was queried heavily and told she was on special assignment in NY......................and not available.......at least to the western united nut....................believe BS had to resign from the UWB vs OCC/FDIC case as part of the CSSA...................
...all of this is moot/mute since WE - WE gave up and walked away from the APPEAL.............................
...wewonders if frankie looks over his shoulder...............I'll bet frankie knows where Butner, NC is......................
...aimho.....................or the twins', if larry approves in advance...........................
.....FRANKIE: the UWBKQ folks are watching you...............
...every minute of every day.............
...frankie, you conspired with johnnie to take UWB, imo..............not a very smart move, frankie...................
...in the event that you offered FCNCA special preferred stock to UWBI claimants as part of a CSSA by and between the FDIC-R and UWB...................we thank you WARMLY, frankie..............
...but frankie, the shareholders of UWBKQ need closure and very soon......................make a public statement, frankie and all will be well if this mess ends well.....................
...aimho............................
.....YAAWWWWWNNNNN.........go away, fred....nobody cares.........
...case is over......bank is long gone.....stock is about to be delisted and is worth NOTHING.............give it up, fred.......
...HARVEY still needs to file the FINAL POL, endorsed by both TRUSTEES and signed by THE JUDGE....................distributions to CLAIMANTS, if any, will be thus administered by the TRUSTEES and their c-grade staff.......................IF ANY, fred...........AIN'T ANY, fred....................ok, fred, there is $4.4MM worth of pennies laying on 19th St..................no claimants....??????.......nope.......................
...HIGHLANDER CAPITAL BLOCK and billy blair family trust shares..........????...........WIPED OUT, fred...............
...opine, fred..........................
...or else maybe we all just give up and go away FOREVER.......
...sell PETE PUMA our little bitty chunk of worthless stock........
...case is over.....................nobody cares other than the legal beagles SUCKING fees out of whoever has monies to pay for the PHONY billable hours.............................
...why is this mother F/ing situation so WEIRD..........??????............I just don't get it...........
...f/ you, larry................I'm fried and it's only 8 a.m..................or 9 a.m.............doesn't matter........
...all that does matter is HARVEY's final POL and evidently that may never happen - - even though it is required BY LAW............law......?????..........new concept.............
...TRADER JOE cannot genetically modify the CASH FLOW..........
...negative NOI = negative NOI..................evidently, the watered down mulch tobacco ain't in DEMAND..............e-cigs are....................FACT............
...only way to make money on this buggy whip is with some doubled-up put straddles....................
...what happens if the 40-million amerikans who smoke QUIT..........cold turkey............??????.............TRADER JOE comes up with a stale blueberry cigarette - - low nicotine - - .........................same result.............RED SUN INK.......
...WE - WE - WE - WE should resubmit the NOA and proceed with the formal APPEAL and/or request a FULL TRIAL.................
...marty.....???.........are you ok with this PLAN....?????.....
...ldk said to NEVER, EVER threaten to revive the APPEAL........so WE - WE - WE - WE will.......................who is ldk, btw......??????...........
...case is not over...................and WE x 4 are losing patience, marty..............and WE x 16 have money and WE have lawyers and WE x 76 are coming after YOU, marty and your team of rats.........................
...who do WE x 1 put this opinion on, larry..........??????........does that guy caught sleeping at the Yankees game want in to our program, larry.........???????.......
...WSJ 7-7-14 front page story on FBI stings.......................
...entrapment city.............but the point is that the FBI will go to such great lengths to snare some poor soul on a $12,500 pink sheet stock KICK-BACK scheme..........................
...yet a little, well-capitalized bank in Denver is WRONGFULLY SEIZED by CORRUPT JACKBOOTS via alleged racketeering/conspiracy, insider trading, contempt of court, judicial COI, BLATANT JOB KICK-BACK................................and sorry, no problems with that.........................WTF............??????........
...FASCISM in Amerika.........................and the news media in Colorado support the FASCISTS................hello.....??????......
...WE - WE - WE - WE should resubmit the NOA and proceed with the formal APPEAL and/or request a FULL TRIAL.................
...aimho...................................all mine..............100%..................imagine that one........
...FDIC is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY controlling all aspects of the CSSA, the BK, the FCNCA stock conversion and all recovery actions.......................................imo...............
...these boys are savvy but they're in a DANGEROUS business..............one legal misstep or blunder could blow the CSSA wide open.........................imo...............
...also, the "C" in the CSSA can only be protected for so long........and the LAWS in AMERIKA must be complied with............THE LAWS........hello........???????........
...CLOSE OUT "THE DEAL"..................marty...............my personal suggestion because if YOU - YOU, marty and your beagles make a MISTAKE............................we pull out of the CSSA..................................WE - WE...........aimho.......I'm driving now.................
...FDIC's ITR filing was sloppy....typical in BK's..............
...the FDIC stated that the TRUSTEES agreed in advance with the ITR PLAN......when the TRUSTEES had NOT AGREED with the original filing in Dec.....................the TRUSTEES should never allow hard cash to sidestep the BK ESTATE..............THAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THE TRUSTEES......by law.........(granted, the SEC is one of the two trustees and only "protects" public companies chartered with SEC rules and regs)........................
...there is a much BIGGER STORY here, folks..............and the FDIC might blow the entire CSSA with small 'Achilles heal' elements like the ITR escrow and the D&O suit, along with other recoveries and related legal proceedings........like frankie federal's preferred stock.....................ETC.................
...the FDIC will re-file the ITR escrow motion with tighter screws...........no prob with any of this..................stock doesn't TRADE anyhoot......................aimho.................
.....a minor legal misplay, imo............................
...our side, or some party with standing.......generated a few billable hours by pointing out to the COURT that a couple of technical points should have been included in the basic motion.............bottom line is that both sides are in agreement that the ITR monies get moved out of the BK CT jurisdiction......
...imo, simply another HINT that an arrangement is being processed..................and CAMPY ain't invited to the party...............and apparently, the TRUSTEES are asleep.......
...now, larry, is this post an OPINION.......???????.......ok, whose................??????..................
...snake oil at TRADER JOE's costs........$2.98 per bottle......
...there is NO MARKET for genetically-altered, technically-modified, scientifically-abrogated tobacco/MULCH...........nicotine addicts crave NICOTINE..................the real stuff........
...all this hocus pocus, do-gooder nonsense does not GENERATE POSITIVE CASH FLOW.....................TRADER JOE cannot genetically modify CASH....................money......the bottom line................hello..........????..........hello.........
...grab the BARNEY FRANK 3-dollar-bill p/s and buy a REAL STOCK that EARNS real money selling REAL WIDGETS....................do it now........................
...aimho.............................
...why doesn't PETE PUMA take that 91,700-share ASK at 4.7 pennies per......?????....or anyone, for that matter....??????....
...insanity that this stock TRADES........is does TRADE, doesn't it, mary jo...........??????..................
...and WTF about our fast-track BK......??????........
...D&O settlement and frankie's preferred are my two topics of the day................................conversation city..........
...dateline:..............HAVANA............bigtime cool.........
...so $1.25 cash SD and 1 FCNCA share for each 110 shares of UWBKQ...????.....
...to corpse #8............how much does that equal, larry...??????
...the 1 for 110 = about $2 p/s..............the $1.25, evidently is the modified HARVEY ($120MM - $60MM for dogs #1-7 and then take 32% off of the remaining $60MM............$40MM-ish.............THEN WE ADD IN FRANKIE'S PIECE........110 style....
...time to shoot off some ROCKETS............
...who the heck comes up with this stuff.......??????..........
...HIM.....????.....no...............frankie's peeps with the guilty conscience..............?????......could be............
...SEC reporting waiver is automatic in a BK and the JOBS ACT also gives support for a waiver....................and what's to REPORT....??...HARVEY HAS HEMORRHOIDS....??????.........marty's beagles ain't gonna let the cssa get put out in a public forum, imo...................
...REALITY IS CONTAINED IN THE CSSA..................and only question in my mind is how FCNCA is involved......?????......'cause frankie is in THE DEAL............................
...one day, owning this stock might FEEL GOOD...............6 years of misery is taking a toll................hopefully the law of nature will balance the INJUSTICE...............$12 p/s works for me.................ok, $5.50 is also doable...............
...opine, TWINS.........................jimmy just did............
...technically......AGREED.................................
...complications within the BK CT are causing delays..........
...so what is the ultimate consequence for each share of UWBKQ........???????...............reliable sources ain't gotta clue...................no one does...............YET.........
...'cept for me and the TWINS.....and we are NOT commenting.......
...wewonders if BOKO HARAM wants to comment.....?????..........
...MY BANK WAS WRONGFULLY SEIZED BY CORRUPT JACKBOOTS...........
...we are at war to get some form of REDEMPTION..............
...case is not over..................YET..............
...the girl scouts hereon need a dose of BOKO HARAM............
...agreed.......should we leave Yvette and MJ out, too....????....
...Auntie Li brought the FDIC/OCC to its knees and obtained a $200MM settlement............is she out, also.....??????.....all CUBANS..........
...MONICA........leave her out....????...it was only $800,000 and she is a very nice girl........................
...johnnie....?????....leave him alone..........he was only doing HIS JOB...........HIS JOB.............HIS JOB......THAT JOB.......
...frankie, jr........don't touch him...........he just wanted UWB on the cheap....................racketeering/conspiracy or not.....
...ldk.........leave him alone........he promised us that he had the OTS wrapped around his pinkie and then.....SEIZURE......then he says, no problem..............he conned BS into taking the case on contingency..............and what happened with THAT......?????
...maybe we leave the TWINS in for now......what say.....??????
...how much is 1/2 box of thin mints.....?????......be one sleeve............???????..................