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Pegs, I don't know if this will ever happen with us, but a couple of the BIG Companies decided to stay on the bottom tier marketplace? Was it Intel I saw on the penny marketplace, not sure, but surprisingly, at least one fairly big stills trades HERE!
HYSR... I can't believe the a few of the posts on the board? Scam, Scam, Scam, they throw out there as though their opinions are gifts from above! If Tim was an evil trickster, he would have been saying things like; "We have the ultimate in Hydrogen Producing devices," or "We are already filling up the storage tanks of Fuel cell cars!"
No, Tim Pr'd the slowly developing system, and gave us numbers that showed the progress being made? If you want transparency, Tim is one of those people you can depend on? The Numbers kept going up for quite a long time until a milestone was reached, and that is significant to me, as it showed that Tim was after a number that would ensure a constant supply of Hydrogen Gas for a number of App's, and that number was reached just within the last year or so!
I don't have a quarrel with him, at least as of now, and nowhere does he reach for Unsubstantiated claims that one other of my Stocks, (ex-stock CEO) made claims that were almost absurd in my eyes? I've had at least three CEO's that filled the honesty bill, and one was with another Alternative Energy co, where the 2 Ceos, one came out of the Secret Sandia National Labs in NM., where they formulated a "Self-Correcting" program that made most of the 3D Printing systems devoid of mistakes!! Another is with a Co' that deals with Alternative Energy too, and is still in Court trying to settle Lawsuits against a number of their Royalty paying Co's, who allegedly used Machinery that wasn't theirs to use with authorization! There are two other Ceo's that I have faith in, one being an (Ai) developer by the name of Van Der Made, who had been working on our (Ai) systems for about 40 years until a breakthrough occurred, and now has Partnerships with FORD MOTOR and NASA? Then Tim Young follows closely behind as of this moment? GLTA
HYSR... I can't believe the a few of the posts on the board? Scam, Scam, Scam, they throw out there as though their opinions are gifts from above! If Tim was an evil trickster, he would have been saying things like; "We have the ultimate in Hydrogen Producing devices," or "We are already filling up the storage tanks of Fuel cell cars!"
No, Tim Pr'd the slowly developing system, and gave us numbers that showed the progress being made? If you want transparency, Tim is one of those people you can depend on? The Numbers kept going up for quite a long time until a milestone was reached, and that is significant to me, as it showed that Tim was after a number that would ensure a constant supply of Hydrogen Gas for a number of App's, and that number was reached just within the last year or so!
I don't have a quarrel with him, at least as of now, and nowhere does he reach for Unsubstantiated claims that one other of my Stocks, (ex-stock CEO) made claims that were almost absurd in my eyes? I've had at least three CEO's that filled the honesty bill, and one was with another Alternative Energy co, where the 2 Ceos, one came out of the Secret Sandia National Labs in NM., where they formulated a "Self-Correcting" program that made most of the 3D Printing systems devoid of mistakes!! Another is with a Co' that deals with Alternative Energy too, and is still in Court trying to settle Lawsuits against a number of their Royalty paying Co's, who allegedly used Machinery that wasn't theirs to use with authorization! There are two other Ceo's that I have faith in, one being an (Ai) developer by the name of Van Der Made, who had been working on our (Ai) systems for about 40 years until a breakthrough occurred, and now has Partnerships with FORD MOTOR and NASA? Then Tim Young follows closely behind as of this moment? GLTA
Hysr when it comes to OPINION, none of use can be certain of anything! Then, Today's numbers could become more positive as time goes on!
crtg. To finish!!! Your opinions are your opinions, but I stand by what I say? I may be wrong, but do you deny that you could be wrong on some of your assumptions, which is what they are?
If I am wrong so be it, but it is a necessity to be more skeptical in this Penny field than an open believer, as there have been a few who believed in every word the ?CEO? has to say, which has been more hype than anything else so far! That piece of paper presented to the Provisional patent Office means nothing in the larger scope of things if it doesn't show results in a valid patent? I hope it does for the sake of those who are holding on! But so far, nothing has convinced me of anything substantial!
I want to see a better product patented by CRTG, as that is the only thing that counts to me? Well, not the only thing, as the Boys have to follow through with not only enough money to satisfy the Testing-hungry Co's who will want testing to the very limits, but have their NEW PRODUCT integrated into whatever product they are targeting, which is very hard to do when other Storage capabilities are being developed all the time? Then we will see if the CHS tests out to be the miracle they purport it to be! MAYBE, maybe not?
crtg. Please put your Bispectacles on and read between the lines! I do not trust Krafty and the management, for what legitimate CEO would take on other Co's (Maybe 2 or 3) at the same time, and spend only 8 days a month working on this thing? That should be enough to arouse the suspicions of anyone with sense! CRTG might be doomed over that very fact as time is a-wasting!
I'd rather have a Ceo who actually invented the Ceo, as in other Co's I own, rather than have a schmuck who only gives 8 days a month of his valuable time? It also shows, if one looks deeper, that Krafty is more concerned with the buck that with anything else? But that is my opinion!
Your opinion is
In your research, did you uncover the amount of money CRTG purportedly owes Krafty? In the tune of the higher ten's of 1,000s of dollars if I remember correctly?
Bad management is one reason why P-Stocks do not make it over the long term? Not saying that Krafty will not find some way to make something happen, as his money cannot be paid if the Co' fails? And failed he did the first time around, contrary to what a few of the stock holders seem to believe? I don't trust a big talker one bit! You can if you wish, but you will need a lot of luck? GL to all!!
crtg..., Wow, don't you know that in order to receive a Provisional Patent, a new and better one has to be written and presented to the P-Patent department, where they would then watch the progress to see that CRTG followed each and every change to the patent, or they would be penalized!
Why would they even apply for a P-Patent if everyone was open to use the CHS patent at will? It is obvious that CRTG is fully engaged in fulfilling that Provisional Patent guidelines in order to patent the CHS+! Not Crap, just common sense!
CRTG.. Every DoDo knows there are time limitations for Patents, but that that patents can be re-issued by the patent holder! Why did NDSU have the authority to make agreements with the CHS? Either they were one of the signators of the Patent, or given the authority to make Business decisions by another party! Evidently CRTG honored the authority of NDSU? An agreement was made, end of story.... and CRTG failed in an effort, a costly one, to commercialize the CHS! Never did CRTG own the Patent rights as far as I know? IMO.
crtg... evidently, it was re-issued! Why would CRTG have all those people work on a new CHS Patent...U-of-Michigan, etc., if they could produce the CHS right now?
CRTG... No, No, No, the Co', CRTG, must then take their ideas to the patent office and get a certificate that validates the "Patent!" It is then forwarded to the P-Patent Office for approval, as CRTG has to prove that what they "Created" is new and more advanced than the original CHS!
Way off the beam? Why did CRTG sign an agreement with NDSU if there wasn't a patent on the stuff? CRTG did not have any authority, as far as I know, to even think of manufacturing the stuff, as an agreement has to be reached there too! You just cannot manufacture something that isn't yours to manufacture, or CRTG would have said something to that effect at the time they signed the original agreement? All that was agreed to from what we've seen is to commercialize the product under the standards set forth by the agreement? CRTG was to pay for all the testing, and other expenses in getting the CHS to the market! After the agreement expired, all the privileges were obliviated, and NDSU took back the product and all the inherent tasks in that contract! CRTG cannot even manufacture the stuff, without the approval of the Patent holders!
Yes, if CRTG has a valid new product, and has the documents to prove it, they can do whatever they think is necessary to bring the product to market, which in my mind is to have the new CHS+ stuff included in the Electric Vehicle Batteries? They had a chance to bring the old product to market with a few of the Battery contacts they found, but some thing, or things, stopped them cold, thereby having the original agreement cancelled due either to time limitations or the failure to meet certain progress requirements! They had to make commercial strides and they couldn't! They had a standard Partnership agreement, which means they were never to own the Patent, but only to become a financial partner to commercialize it, nothing more! Krafty took on something way over his head IMO? GL to those who hold, for they will need it!!
But then again, my suspicions got the best of me and I sold out, but thinking that I might re-invest if they showed Solid and verifiable proof that there was a CHS+ patent, and not just an idea they wrote on scratch paper? Too many Penny Ceo's get involved thinking they can handle the huge tasks ahead, which the Previous officials won't mention the sometimes insurmountable problems! Many still go ahead and play the Investors for fools thinking they will provide more money, which after a while is futile because of their actions as heads of those Co's!
Do what you want but don't be enamored with Ceo's and what they say, as they are only Salesmen/Saleswomen who may know how to sell, but don't know how to Govern! I've seen enough for my own good, and that I stand by, not what others may think! IMO....
Pegs., All CRTG has done so far is talk? Not one production model of the original CHS has been built, placed in a product, or sold, so no actions can technically take place! If they start selling the stuff to place in another Co's product, then there has to be an agreement with the Patent holder so that that person, or entity, can share in the profits!
They might buy some of the stuff and place it in one of the products they own, or are legally entitled to, but beyond that, they have to deal with the Patent holders and reach some sort of an agreement before they can do anything else! They can't even produce the stuff without some agreement!
CRTG... Not correct!!!! A provisional patent is not worth the lead that was used to write the CHS+ plans on a piece of scratch paper!!
Why is it that as of December, 2020, there has been no announcement of either a Patent Application, or a patent on the new CHS+? There is none, NONE! There is no number to prove anything on that October PR?
If you have it, please give it to us so I can write a retraction! Otherwise, look-up PROVISIONAL Patent? It only gives protection for one year, and after that, an application has to be presented, with all the specs written on the "Provisional" patent Scratch paper precisely what has been provided on that piece of worthless paper that has no legality attached to it whatsoever after that first year! It was designed to give the Boys time to fully develop the CHS+ product, which CRTG didn't seem to do, or they would have happily announced it by now!
Any CHS machinery "Production ?Patent?! has nothing to do with the CHS Product, as that is what most of us are looking for, as they cannot produce something which is not theirs, and a CHS product we were all looking forward to, not any machinery which was tossed around on the board from time to time.... and it was a CHS patent held by the NDSU people, or CRTG wouldn't have had to license it as they did!
There was a written agreement by the two parties, and a break-up occurred because CTRG didn't live up to the "Time" limitations of the agreement, and/or that CRTG didn't have the money to go any further? Then, the salesmanship of Krafty didn't work as he tried to get more help from NDSU, but couldn't persuade them to extend the deadline? IMO only....
HYSR.... Pegs, Anything is possible, most often probable in the P-Field. Below are a couple of sites that may help you a bit?
1) PATENTS.JUSTIA.COM
list of 5 Patents as of now..
2) NASDAQ.COM
A number of latest PR's from the Company....
They were a "Middleman" when they first signed that agreement with NDSU> They never own the Patent, only licensed it..
QS. That's what I always talk about! While CRTG may have a variation of the NDSU Patent, it has to be proven QUALITATIVELY different before it can be patented! It is not yet patented, as the U-of-MICHIGAN is still working on it as far as I know? I know that CRTG has enlisted a Chemist as well, so they have a chance of patenting the new CHS+, but as of yet, no solid evidence, in the way of finalized documents, has surfaced from CRTG's Office!
Outside of partnerships that have been formed, where money has been forwarded to produce the old CHS stuff, maybe the new stuff, but without authorization, the Patent Application has to be in the process of Product Patenting before any sort of production and selling can take place! They just cannot say the Product is "Theirs'" as they said a few years ago, or work on the assumption they can carry on despite the NDSU contract being nullified, even when contacts with CRTG have been established?
But maybe a verbal agreement with NDSU has taken place where it was agreed that the CRTG people can continue on with the commercialization, but without NDSU's help of any kind? But that is unlikely IMO? CRTG has been working on a new CHS+ product, which shows that the NDSU agreement has been finalized as closed?
Is there at least a NUMBER of the Patent Application, where we can check and see how far along they may be?
I was once a solid supporter of Coretec, but I didn't know much about the Company? Only the product was of importance to me! I had a big letdown when the NDSU agreement fell through, so my thought at the time was that the Boys at the top had to start all over again, and that meant devising and patenting a better CHS product? They just cannot use someone else's patent unless they use it for their own Products, one of which is the LED devise, which does not interest me at all!!
Still they talk about having the CHS product being included in the EV Batteries, so development of the New CHS is still going on, for that is the only partnership that would excite the general population IMO? I remain suspicious of the management team, due to the Brainwashing that appears to be going on! I would truly like to believe in them, but I cannot until a CHS+ document is hanging on their Office walls? GL
crtg. Why didn't Kraft mention the fact that if the CHS products were theirs as they profess, that they had a patent, or patent application for a CHS product that is materially and functionally different than the Patent NDSU holds for the CHS? The Boys just cannot takeover the CHS product as if it was lost in a windstorm and found in a Prairie by CRTG Officials and declared that they had rights to the CHS Property/Patent?
As far as I can see, CRTG is acting as a middleman... buying the product from a distributor, then selling it to the supposed "USER" like one of the major Car manufacturers? I can't see Evonik making the stuff without the written consent/contract of NDSU, who holds the Patent rights to the CHS products...12 or 13 Patents, not sure how many are directly related to the basic CHS product however?
But maybe there has been an agreement with NDSU, where CRTG can again commercialize the CHS product, I don't know? Something is missing, and that has been the case with CRTG from the first time I owned some shares! I was very disappointed with the break-up between CRTG and NDSU, which caused CRTG to go out on their own from that point? I only bought in when I thought the car battery manufacturers might utilize the CHS in their Batteries? Back to square one I thought, so it would be too difficult to buy the CHS patent outright, or build a better CHS that the USPTO could live with!
I might be missing something, and if wrong I apologize as many of us Penny Investors learned early not to trust most of what any CEO says, and keep skepticism a close part of our thought process?
We must question their every spoken word, as words are cheap and Documents remain supreme! Not being involved has left me in the dark about some things, and as far as I read of the Conference call, no mention of any concrete sales agreements with customers for the CHS product, or CHS patents Officially sanctioned by the USPTO! IMO only... GL.
Hysr... I think the panels were designed to serves many applications, not just Office building heating with Hydrogen? I hope it is used in Fuel cell cars?
HYSR... It looks like HYSR patented the Solar panels alone, without much else to aid in the commercial accessibility of that Hydrogen Green Gas?
Hysr..., Well what good does an on site Hydrogen producing product have, if it doesn't have the pressuring ability to it? If it were to be used in an Office environment, or an on the road filling-up capability for FUEL CELL CARS, there would have to be a pressurization capability too! Yes, that pressurizing capability might have to be naturally installed, or it wouldn't be effective at all? Every situation demands that the Hydrogen be maintained under certain pressures as demanded by the using facility, so some pressurized equipment would have to be installed along with the Hydrogen production device!
The stuff has to be robustly produced too, so pressures can be maintained, and that seems to be a difficult task, but one that HYSR should be able to develop, if not already set in place? Then, can a proposed refueling system fill up FC Car after FC Car without much delay, I would say that they have a way, even though it isn't being talked about at all, at least in any of the PR's to investors!
Yes, you brought-up a good point as the device itself seems not to produce enough of the Hydrogen to keeps the tanks fully pressurized, but storage tanks would have to be a part of the installation for sure! Now that might not be enough to keep the tanks at maximum pressure all the time, but storage is vital and that may be misunderstood by the way the engineers worded the PR's, I don't know, but I thought that the 1,000 number may be the pressure produced and maintained for so many hours? Not being a scientist, I just assumed that the number was an important factor that made the device operable under stressful or demanding situations for that many hours, so I just left it at that! A workable system has to have all the factors set in place, or the product is useless if an important factor is missing?
If I am wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but I just made an assumption based on numbers I thought were very important or they wouldn't have laid them out there? GLTA..
Hysr, Sorry subs!! I really was meant for J---..
Hi Mick... Can you imagine the possibilities once HYSR sets-up a few H-refueling stations, where revenue will flow-in automatically!
Yes, all of us are taking a chance with the highly unpredictable problems they face, but Tim is resolved to make this Product and Company, successful, and that is important, for few "Ceo's" have it in them to set-aside all the problems and forge ahead?
The product, on paper right now, seems to be what most of us are looking for, and that is long term success with the possibility of DIVIDENDS sometime in the future! Then to mention the BIG Institutional Investors buying in once they see that HYSR has established a foothold in the sector?
Despite all the up's and Down's we see, this stock has a better than 50/50 chance of going a long way? I hope it pans out! I won't cry like a Baby if it folds up, but there are no signs of that, at least for now? GL..
JSD Call it by another name, but it isn't sarcasm, it is HATE.... and that comes from not appreciating the work those guys have undergone...or the premise that you know better than anyone else, ..or just SOUR GRAPES when the stock doesn't perform up to the unrealistically lofty standards you set up for this P-Stock, or others in the field? IMO..
If please write something decent on the board, not all the garbage stuff?
Hysr I just bought in on an (AI) stock AZKLF... revolutionary! Hysr is active, but this one is virtually unnoticed!
The door is open to many Industries, included is the FCEL auto market, so HYSR can capitalize on being one of the early birds! I am hoping that when the FCEL cars start coming out in sufficient numbers, that HYSR will be ready with a few filling stations in every state? The potential is tremendous!!
RSH Until contracts and revenues start coming in, there are far more negatives than positives, though hysr has done very well in developing and patenting a Sunlight and water Hydrogen producing device!
What is driving this Co' to such extreme market changes, who the Heck knows, not me, but maybe the words "UPCOMING HYDROGEN ECONOMY" has something to do with it?
With FUEL CELL CARS/VEHICLES coming out in greater numbers starting in 2021, HYSR is positioned right if they have what they have, (I believe they do,) and their system can produce HYDROGEN on site, instead of the Hydrogen being driven in, which is probably the case now? There are no guarantees in the Penny Stock world, but this one has a good chance of reaching hew heights?
Yes, it is hard to have patience when Bills and necessities are piling up, but this market demands some patience, with greater patience being more preferable! Look at the time it took to develop and test the H-Device, 9+ years, which is now beyond that phase! So what's next? Setting-up H-stations, probably so, but that will take more engineering and Money for sure? It is still pretty much of a gamble however, so I hope we can all stick-it-out for a while to get the full benefit of HYSR's potential! Waiting it out is a hard thing to do, but many of us want to see the time when revenues are coming in from both Industrial usage of our systems, and through filling stations, which can be huge revenue maker?? Good luck to all TWA....
I submitted a Post on 12/8 regarding sites for Investors to research, but where is it?
HYSR and AZKLF...Hysr rising fast to .085,, AZKLF (.027 cents).. a-great-Future, This Artificial Intelligence Co', Peter Van Der Wake founder of a number of patented products, brought (AI) to a new level, by somehow placing ARTIFICIAL NEURONS and SYNAPSES, into one single CHIP about the size of a large vitamin pill!
It has been proven through tests with FORD MOTORS and other Co's, VALERO being one of them, that it is an advanced version of the (AI), with many more capabilities that what (AI) products have today! It is on the "EDGE" of (AI) capabilities, with its Human-like structure bringing more Human abilities in its core than any other (AI) product out there! Peter has been one of the founders of AI, as he has been working on these products for about 40 years!
sdvi.... Later on as one reads one of the Sites below, it expressly said that: "We are holding on to Innovo," or words to that effect! While about one year and 1/2 have past without news, some Investors are happy about this turnaround, as brief as it might be!
On the INNOVO home page, they list a pretty good number of products, KNOTON and the MORPHEUS GROUP among them too! The best....
SDVI.... Last I heard... (www.newsfilecorp.com) March 20, 2019!
Coverage instituted for Signature Devices, Inc.
Other sources for Info..
1) (www.stockalert.ca)
2) http://Innovotech.io/about)
What a Post LOL.
sdvi....Since there was no movement whatsoever, I focused on my other 3 stocks, one of which is going pretty good right now! 1,5++ % in the last 3 months or so?
I hope there is something substantial going on? The Volume is unprecedented, which is a good sign! Is this just another aberration, or is it worth paying attention to? TWA.. GLTA
HYSR mis-defining "Necessity Demands" than for crooks! Big statement without merit IMO.
HYSR... there have been a few q's about the other stock unfortunately? Though I hold some Crypto-currency, I may use it to up my holdings of hysr, not any other Co'?
I like Co's with definite orders and good volume, and A-Co' has some of each, but how can any stock like that match anything S-H has to offer? Maybe I am missing something! In return for your suggestion, how about HYSR and AZKLF?
Was a little outside the topic, but was important nonetheless! I glue Copper pennies on my Black mask!
crtg. I saw a study where Scientists placed a layer of COPPER on the bottom of a Petrie dish, then added one million C-Viruses on top of it! Within 20 minutes, all the Viruses were gone! Other metals were tested like ZINC, but had nowhere the same effect on the Virus! Of all the metals tested, only COPPER proved completely effective! Zinc I think had ?60? % effectiveness after a certain time!
hysr.... more like getting on a Roller Coaster!
RSH... You brought up unpleasant memories while I was in Chicago? I tried Options, Commodities and Stocks and decided to find good managers like RICHARD J DENNIS (Multi-million dollar Trading guru) to run the Commodities fund and Dr. EHRMENTRAUT running my STOCK FUND! OPTIONS too!! To do it on my own would take too long, and I had No faith in my abilities at the time! But I bought Paintings and Drawings that stare me in the face every day, so there is hope there!!
Hysr seems to be touch and go right now, and shows the vicious nature of P-Stock "Investing"? I hope it won't go down much further and finds an acceptable TRADING RANGE! With the few hundred bucks I have "Invested," the hopes are that SUNHYDROGEN will be around a long time, with many Licensees and dividends becoming standard, as many well known energy stocks have instituted good dividend programs, such as in oil and gas! To be included in the same club as SHELL, ?BP?-PETROLEUM and STANDARD OIL is asking too much I know, but even if we were to reach one percent of their revenues would be fantastic to me! But even Millions should elevate the PPS for a while? See you in 2023 or so!!!
If what they say is true, the Hydrogen economy is on its way, and may take over much of the energy production we see today! EV's and Battery power are limited in my opinion, and Hydrogen has many more applications than they have? But we should see a highly competitive race to see who gets what and where, so HYSR will have to rise to the occasion?
In order for this thing to rise mightily, Fuel cell Vehicles will have to make a strong impact, our version of Hydrogen producing Devices will have to be TOP competitors, a large Business structure will have to be
developed, a top research team will have to be assembled, and a great management team will have to run it all!
I enjoy the excitement of having a few P-Stocks that have a chance to make something of themselves, and it keeps me going while I try other things? Good Luck to all!!
CRTG... QS... I have a basic knowledge of the Prov'l Patent, and it says that an application for a full Patent can be presented once the P-Patent date has expired, or less than that 1 year deadline!! The full context of the patent must match what the P-Patent expresses or they would never allow another P-Patent extension for the same product!
Now, and I am not a trusting person w regard to P-Stocks, I have seen NO indication that a Patent Application was filed, though I may be wrong as I haven't seen all the PR's!
I wonder what KRAFT meant when he said soon after the Breakup with NDSU, which was: "The CHS product is ours?" It would have been great if he explained what he meant by that? It sounds to me, if that is what KRAFT said, is that he made an arrangement with the NDSU people to take over the Patent for CHS, which would be necessary if CRTG was to make such a statement! It is "Ours" sounds so absolute, but the actions thereafter do not match that statement IMO?
Yes, if after the expiration of the P-Patent, CRTG tries to process a product that is exactly as the P-Patent shows on Paper, then the Patent will probably go through? But the one on the P-Patent document has to be different than previous Patents, or there will be Infringement problems! And they will be penalized if the new patent is different than the one outlined in the P-Patent! One penalty is that crtg will never obtain a Provisional Patent extension again!!!
As of today, unless some proof can be provided, there is no CHS patent.... only possibly a Patent application!! The only patent worth talking about is a change in the basic CHS product that will show uniqueness or qualities that rise above what the original CHS patent has!! We can only hope that a new and better CHS+ product will be patented! Anything else just won't do it, but that is only my opinion?? Good luck to all!
crtg.. Exactly, but I think the Krafty boys would do anything to fool the Public! It might not be a stretch to think that way in this market?