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I don't know, just saying it is awful strange, I could be wrong though but it is my understanding thought that anything created/started? at the U of W Gig has right to (first right of first refusal). It could also be something else. It is hard enough to keep the folks on the same page here on simple things (like the one reason Perk was invented took something cheap and stable, then they made it EO active) let alone connect the dot stuff so I won't elaborate. Sometimes University types and real world business folks do not see eye to eye, two completely different worlds, one is real and one is imagined although the easy funding and published results tend to live in one and not the other. One you have to say that you are going to do to succeed and the other you actually have to do it.
Oh on the Greenlee front, you will also notice that he departed when they promoted Bintz (around him?) after a few weeks on the job. I'm not sure that just as we shouldn't discuss health issues that we probably should not get into why someone left a company it could be anything, probably for "Family Reasons". Yes It is a public company but the employees are not "our" property.
Um not only Luxtera but also what happened to BAE systems mention on the Opsis website and Visa Versa?
Both are mentioned here in February of 2012
http://optics.org/indepth/3/2/4
Here is the BAE website, if some of you have time see if you can find anything other than old press releases or old presentations listing Opsis.
http://www.baesystems.com/home?_afrLoop=86561984425000
Yet the foundry window on the new Opsis page only has IME in Singapore, Honestly I don’t think that you will see Perk heading oversees.
Here is the Foundry tab on the Opsis web site.
http://opsisfoundry.org/foundries/ime-foundry-opening/
Um, I’m not going to get into it but 2 of 3 appear to have changed their minds.
Could it just be a fluke that with the exception of the old press releases they have removed info on Opsis from their websites and Opsis is creating a new web site and has just not got around to adding them to the New and Improved version, OH and I noticed that they are not listed on the foundry schedule either?
You tell me here it the schedule.
http://opsisfoundry.org/tapeout-schedule/
Perhaps the governor stopping by for a 1 hour “tour of the lab” was something more than coincidental?
I’ll keep my ear to the ground, maybe I’m reading more in into this that there is but on the surface it sure looks like something changed and But IMO It is definitely a Valid Question. If so and they aren't playing with the U of D, I could roll on to a connect the dots thing and it would explain a lot but I won’t, let us just say that it is very interesting and I bet Hochberg is fit to be tied And may have been knocked down a peg, last I heard he was clearing and claiming real-estate at the U of D like there was a fire sale.
I swear I could do soap opera on the progression of this technology but it would be pretty boring.
Oh and for those who only like to look at this as a negative thing I can see how this could be very positive for Lightwave. I don't think Z is easy to push around, just saying, just a hunch. I think they and he know what we've got. Oh I said I wasn't going to elaborate.
Very Fing interesting.
X
Did Opsis take a haircut? I mean Hochberg founded it but, um, now I don’t’ see anything about them on the Opsis website.
http://www.luxtera.com/20111123245/luxtera-opens-industry-leading-silicon-cmos-photonic-process-to-opsis-community.html
http://opsisfoundry.org/about-html/affiliates-and-collaborators/
“We have three foundries that we are already working with including Luxtera, BAE Systems, and with IME in Singapore”
http://optics.org/indepth/3/2/4
http://www.luxtera.com/about-us.html
Had a glass of wine, no more researching what happened to Luxtera’s Opsis foundry?
Food for thought, but would that be weird or what?
Yes. Hit the pike. It would take the NSF backing a sturdy of the commercial viability
Wtf they were his negative comments not mine. Of course z has said he needs it the same every fing tome. too busy working from my I phone hey f it you guys believe him. I was just posting as to his motive. CMOS isn't where it is at. Yeh roght. Later guys
Reds I have no Idea, I thought that EMP made sense but remember once they looked under the hood or EMP wanted more of the pie or more control than Lightwaves management wanted to give him it didn't work.
Remember at JDSU one of Leonbergers responsibilities was Merger and Acquisitions. How is that for a CTO at JDSU that is now a consultant to Lightwaves Board of Directors. Pretty cool, if you guys are bored, just go back through the whole Leonberger JDSU history. When you are done you tell me if WE (the Shareholders) should be advising him on how this next EO and on to All Optic progression should work.
The EO polymer scientist at Dow Corning said "X Leonberger could call just about anyone in the country, including the President for a sit down", those were HIS words NOT mine. Between Fred and Joe Miller when the time is right, (which I think we are currently in) they will put together something that will appear to us as if it has happened overnight. Betcha.
Oh and message boards are hard to read, I'm not Lecturing you just telling you why I have confidence in the company.
OH and don't think that this Smitty cat might not be a professional hired gun in the industry, I doubt it though, remember they are just starting the dog n pony institution thing and buys as small as 100k shares will push this up without convincing some to sell.
Honestly I don’t what to make of this Smitty cat. I appears to me that he is trying to convince everyone that the one single reason that the Goetz’s invented the Perkinamine family of molecule “stability” at CMOS temperatures is not really all that important and can somehow be worked around. If he hadn’t Dis’d Bintz, Z, shoot even Leonberger in a roundabout way and JM for no apparent reason then I’d think that perhaps he is actually here to contribute but if he is an outsider that has never dealt with them then he wouldn’t have went there on his first post.
What about this comment about Bintz? "From my understanding he lives in Oregon and is in Delaware less than 50% of the time." First of all, I’m (X) fairly close to this I haven’t a clue how much Bintz spends in Delaware, as I understand it since Greenlee left all that he (Bintz) would do here is test, so 50% testing and 50% at the LSS sounds reasonable, hardly a reason to BASH Bintz?
This is from his first post:
“Perhaps Greenlee has morals and he does not believe in the lies that management is giving to the investors about the "greatness" of these materials.”
This is from his third
“I do not know Greenlee. My thoughts were based on pure speculation because I have been in a situation myself in the past. I worked for a company that portrayed themselves as something that they were not. I felt it was my moral obligation to leave the company as soon as I could.” (So Greenlee left without notice a reference that I don't think he'll be able to use in the future especially when this succeeds)
Post 6459
“If you look at his (Greenlee’s) profile on linkedin you will notice he has extensive experience in polymer devices and testing using great materials.” Why the word "GREAT" Ax to grind, YUP
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“Tom and Jim know about Soluxra. The white paper listed on the old website from former employee Greenlee was based on a SLM using Soluxra's material! This is the link to the publication I found on Greenlee's LinkedIn pofile.”
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“My choice of words was a bit harsh I admit but how do you expect Lou to know everything about the company? From my understanding he lives in Oregon and is in Delaware less than 50% of the time. Tom and Jim live in Colorado complicating things further. Also I think people have been too impressed with Lou to look at his background. He has worked more with the design and poling of EO modulators and not the characterization of the actual material. We have mutual colleagues in the industry and I will leave it at that.”
Sixs question “Do you know Charles Greenlee?”
Smitty’s response
“Yes. He is one of my LinkedIn contacts. I don't know him personally but I have been seen some of his research back when he worked with UW, Georgia Tech, and UA”
(Why even have LinkedIn contacts if you do not know them? Why not just let google link everyone together like they know everyone in their industry??? Just an observation from the X Man)
Honestly I think that in a roundabout way he is trying to get back at them somehow by playing you guys against them. Perhaps he somehow lost out in the Bintz/Greenlee take my ball and leave if I don't get my way maneuver. Many on here now enjoy whining and complaining and if that is why you’ve invested your money then enjoy, honestly you are playing right into his hands. Whatever guys, the single reason that I’m here is that there are Billion dollar CMOS facilities and many iterations of Perk can help to bridge that gap.
If we don’t think that Joe Miller and Fred Leonberger know the correct path to bring game changing technology to market after the Many, many successes at doing it then Whatever. I’m still accumulating, so bash away, I know that some of you value your portfolios by the minute, me, not so much. Has this been far longer than I thought, Yup but I’m not going to get mad at myself and beat myself up for it. I made the call at the time, I thought it was right, if I decide it was wrong I’ll sell and move on, not get up every day and hit myself in the head whine and moan on a public board.
Have a Good Day,
X
If it is the graph that I think it is then it from the days when the Goetzs were still in the lab. I still have some of that Perk in my office, I’m NOT a chemist but there was a company that was Called accelapure and the guy that invented an HPLC lived around here somewhere anyhow as I remember it at that time the perk was so dirty that it clogged the up his devices. Holy molly I just looked, there is nothing in this guys profile about his days at Accelepure see that gap between 2005 and 2008 (rat bastrd) I Lost my A$$ with that company and It looks like he went on to be successful after that. I was told that he was terminally ill, it must have been a miracle. When I was in the lab during the SHM I pointed at the device and said something to the effect that I bet that it came from there, (I’m 99% sure it did) anyway what the heck I just hoped that it helped the cause.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/terry-berger/41/63a/1b
OK You claim to be totally unrelated to Lightave but why then did you post this because that my friend is personal. “Tom and Jim don't even know what is going on in the company and they are supposedly running it!” IMO I think that you are actually trying to get back at them for something that happened, more than likely a shunning, a yanking of technology, a redirection, a deal that didn’t happen, a molecule that didn’t give the notoriety, perhaps you didn't get hired, I don’t know something, something, but that statement does NOT sound like a scientist on the sideline looking at the technology as a whole. I think something happened personally Dats What X Tinks.
Good Luck in whatever you do and yes we welcome your advice from a scientific standpoint as long as you do not have an agenda because this science is so difficult anyone reasonably skilled in the art could easily mislead some old guy that put $1,000 bucks in the investment. Again, I’m good at reading people and I think that there is something else behind this that we don’t know and if we did know it would help us to better understand where you are coming from. You go to war with the army that you’ve got, they are what we’ve got and dising them is not going to accomplish anything but many on here somehow think it will.
You guys can stand around at the water cooler and complain about the boss or whatever, I've got stuff to do.
No time to proof, not sure if it makes sense.
Good Luck, busy day, gotta run.
X
No, not even Zelibor has the authority to lift the Vail of secrecy, they are under an NDA, plain and simple, no matter how many times we asked they cannot tell us. It is as simple as that, if this technology is even half of what it appears to be you’ll understand why. Good Luck investing and complaining, some here remind me of the guy that applies for a job then spends 30 years complaining about it without moving on to something they enjoy.
Misery loves company, for the foreigners (Unhappy people like other people to be unhappy too)
Have a Great Frickin Day, it is beautiful out there
X
Max temp, that is to say that it can hold up to CMOS temps very important as I see it, 250c correct I mean without that the materials are just whistling Dixie. NO we don't hate you as long as you don't have an agenda and are honest, not misleading anybody, I looked back through your posts though and you mentioned Grenlee a bunch of times and it doesn't sound you like either Bintz, Z or JM and think that Leonberer isn't anyone special yet the E O polymer guy that I meet spoke the world of him. What you've said is basically what Z said at the shareholders meeting, we need a data sheet and a working device. Oh I didn't see you banging on Turpin, does he have a clue? Perhaps they need some more talent? Who would you suggest they attract? If nothing else watching this all play out over the years with Lumera, Dalton, Gig etc. (man I'm glad I steered clear of that at 50 Buck did U of W sucker those investors or what?) has certainly been interesting. What is your take on Opsys checking out of Washington and coming to U of D? Oh and do you think that the LSS is Intel?
I've been with this since the days of ol Man Goetz, watching that funding get pulled, seeing Fred Jr. go down (sucks) and I'm not going anywhere, I'd say that 80% of the real (big) money will stay until the tech sees daylight or the game is over.
I still think that despite all the naysayers they will nail it.
X
OK “X, You have to decide what properties are most needed in your intended device.”
Um OK off the cuff, some very simple things would be
First of all 250c for >30 Minutes
Fempto second response time
R33 >250 ppv @ 1550 (I guess)
Oh resists photo bleaching
Does not require protection from Oxygen.
Oh is 98% or 99% purity good enough (y0ou tell us) because they can do that so let’s throw that in there as well.
1.) ½ Hour max temp
2.) Response time a fempto second or better
3.) R33 >250c
4.) Resists Photo bleaching
5.) Oxygen
6.) >98% purity
Let us just start with that, give me 5 that meet that criteria so I can print them out and put them next to my screen and research them at my leisure, then we can break them down in other areas.
Oh and are you still sticking with this comment for “poled electro-optic polymers”
“3. Does the data for electro-optic coefficient fit well to a two-level model? As you approach the absorption peak there is a large increase in absorption but also a very large increase in electro-optic coefficient. For single pass (SLM) devices absorption does not matter so much so devices with very high r33 and low voltage can be created. Most EO materials should fit this model well. A simple graph showing data at 1310nm and 1550nm (980nm would also be helpful) would show that this is not some bogus material.”
Wifey calling gotta go
X
Smitty
Could you provide the Data of 5 best EO Polymers out there available for devices so that I can have a quick reference?
Also Could you please elaborate on your explanation of Poled EO Polymers in relation to SLM's comment because I may have misunderstood this science?
Gotta Run will look later on tonight.
X
Reds CMOS process that is why.
I guess the question is when is the right time to publish the numbers because after all there is a big difference between academia and the business world. Do they tip there hand early and risk what they have learned simply for the sake of tipping their hand? We have to trust they have thought this out and know what they are doing. Looks like Smiths investment philosophy is to wait until after they have everything buttoned up and disclosed to the public then jump in, most definitely a much more conservative investment approach, but as always less risk equals less return.
Time will tell
X
Well there certainly is a shtton of info there. So BSmith when Spooks posts Opsys? After your name, um are you affiliated in any way, with U of W, AZ, or now Hochberg at the U of D?
You said what I’ve been saying for years if they have the material and it works is reproducible then they will come and we will be bought out. Joe Miller a couple years back stated that he thinks that we could have a nice lil business doing that but he has advised them to move to the top of the pyramid and Drive the business. That is when they switched to devices do you think that was a good call?
As far as providing to the world their performance, numbers etc, I don’t remember who and I was not involved in the conversation but I overheard some talking at the SHM that after Fred reviewed the presentation he made them pull out some information or change some slides something like that because he didn’t want some of the information out there. Also the Perkinamine Indigo being held as a trade secret kind of lends credence to that. Are you by any chance Optiprof?
Is in fact r33 of 400 pm/V that is stable at 300C for 30 minutes the rock solid, no give in those numbers or as Bintz and Fred said tradeoffs are possible?
I’m not bashing, I’d like to know from you honestly, but please be honest and not biased especially if you have a horse in this race, have been burnt by someone here or a reason to stretch the truth, please respond like you were talking to a family member. Thanks Again.
Spooks I cleaned up a couple of posts if you need anything else cleaned up or you want something restored let me know.
One other question, if you’d developed a material that meet the parameters you described in your post, from a business, not academic standpoint, AND were developing devices AND knew that there were other unprotected molecules in the same family that if you posted your results could be taken by other companies would you publicly post your findings? That is exactly where I think we ARE.
Oh and do you have any business experience using your own money?
Again Thanks.
X
If they are the lss and they won't let us tell anyone why would they publish light waves name. Uh. Why put gigs name out there? Red herring. Not worried a few of us saw that long long ago. We're good gates
There is no way possible that I can reply and research everything that it out there, BILLIONS has been spent over the past 10 to 20 years, I used to do it though, going back to the days when I used to print everything out and take it to Fred Jr. I'd bet that he’d look at that molecule, point at the single strand connecting them and say something like X that will rotate about the Pi Bonds or something like that. Basically it will twist and fracture and to make it faster they have to make it longer then it is even more fragile. Remember that Perks weakest link is a double bond, IMO that makes it MORE than twice as strong because they will work together. This science will make your head spin. Of course Fred always used to say that we were 10 years ahead of everybody and that was 8 years ago, not sure where they are now.
Whatever guys! I think that you are misquoting what Tom said.
Hey we are but small potatoes here so if you guys think that they are not on to something, move on to somewhere where your time, money and research will be better invested, honestly though I think that you will be VERY sorry. I'm sticking with this ;).
Good Luck,
X
Well put RickFace, this is my response to various posts out there all rolled into one of X’s big fat incoherent babbling messes. Many on here spend their whole life worrying and complaining, the science out there can make your head spin and there is plenty to read. IMO the U of W is another SSDD thing. It looks like the U of W may be teeing up another one and why not it worked out well for them with Lumera/Gig, I bet that they sold out Lumera (adjusted for the reverse split) at North of 20 Bucks, they made a mint not bad for something others paid for. If you’ve followed this from the days when the Goetz’s were down in Aberdeen it was the same thing. U of W was able to get the grants, (pretty much all the grants) which left the Goetzs stranded and hence Lightwave was born, I think it was Andrew doing submissions for Lightwave Vs. Dalton at the U of W and I think Dalton sat on or was affiliated with some of the committees that provided the awards. No doubt about though Alex Jen is one Smart Dude, I hope he does well in the solar market it could help us all.
On the SBIR front I think if we look back lightwave was still not able to consistently reproduce batches of perk in 2011 (they only opened the new lab in June of 2012.) That SBIR reads “These highly efficient EO material systems will be routinely produced in sufficient quantities (10-100 grams) to demonstrate their synthetic scalability and reproducibility.”
Here it is October 2012
Material Consistency and Reproducibility
“I am happy to report that we are making outstanding progress toward consistent and reproducible performance and scaling up of our materials. Utilizing new analytical and preparative high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) we have now been able to achieve greater than 98% purity of Perkinamine NRTM. We have never before achieved this level of purity, which has impeded our ability to obtain the repeatability required for the commercialization of our materials.”
Has it ever crossed anyones mind that the proprietary cladding used by the LSS is also a Sol-Gel process and who might be working on that?
As for the solar front when Miller was questioned about it he said something to the effect that “in his opinion at this time it is an area that he did not think that we should play in”
Oh and wasn’t the question to Z something like Are you aware of any other public companies, valuation kinda thing? But whatever, you remember Eaton saying many time that we were not the only player with the LSS. Oh and You heard Bintz talk about the unique properties Perkinamine has that push comes to show would enable tradeoffs.
Still saying that they will get this to work in a number of devices it most certainly will not address every niche in every market out there that would be impossible. Again I just look at the quality of the talent in such a small company. Still long and strong, but hey if some think they have found something better then place your bets there (if they are public), whatever makes you happy. I’d say the last 10 IPO’s I participated in crapped the bed.
Oh on the Management trading front “Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, while in possession of material, nonpublic information about the security.” IMO there are multiple reasons these guys, especially Leonberger cannot trade the stock. Take a moment to read the following I still say that without a systematic automatic plan locked in place that they can not alter that management is not allowed to buy the stock.
http://www.leerink.com/media/47531/material.nonpublicinfo.pdf
X
For those that want to hear this sort of science explained here is excellent 2009 video by Jen. Bottom line was that at the time it costs too much, does not last long enough and apparently was not stable enough to be a commercially viable product, perhaps now it is this is bassackwards electrons producing not controlling Photons, many of the same processes though, close but not the same market. As Z said one time, many things that you read about are only practical in the lab.
Then honestly I don't know, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, I don't want to mislead anybody. Remember Leonberger is and ADVISOR. Thanks for your knowledge in the field.
Um, So Let me get this straight, the week, month, or 6 months before a deal is announced they can buy stock?
If the CEO is aware of a deal involving 100 or 500 Million dollars deal with an open end date, that is, as soon as the parameters of that deal are meet by one company then a CEO can buy the stock even thought the NDA precludes them from announcing to the public that they have meet the parameters because a different vendor company XYZ still needs to button up things.
How about a "classified" client"?
I wonder why Z made that statement that they are trying to work on a way to trade the stock?
OK if you say so, then the logical explanation is that he doesn't think that it is good investment and he is here for the 500 bucks a day or whatever, Oh plus expenses, that is it.
Later Guys
This is in reference to Inversors question as to why Leonberger does not buy on the open market.
In the past when I really really questioned the company hard about something and pushed for an answer their response was that if you really want to see that then you will need to sign a Non Disclosure Form and once you sign the NDA “you will not be able to trade the stock, do you really want to do that?”.
Honestly I’m not sure who brought in Fred Leonberger, more than likely it was either Miller, Turpin or Fasick, I don’t know, somehow he found out about Lightwaves Perkinamine. OK so Fred is asked to take a look at this technology (sign an NDA) then low and behold (just as nearly every Homerun hitter they tip their hand to) he decides to become an advisor to the company and as such knows what is going on in the background. They have been working with a Large System Supplier a Fortune 100 Company for I think about 3 years now so he’d be aware of that AND they are not allowed to disclose who it is to the public, knowledge of who that is IMO must be the inside information that is preventing him from trading, I’m not an attorney but common sense would dictate that it is. So I’d guess that as long as these guys know the details of that, IMO buying it would be insider trading. Z did say that they are trying to set up a way for these guys to trade the stock, I’m not sure what he meant by that but perhaps there is a way they can do it. One time in my travels I meet an Electro Optic Polymer scientist type that worked for Dow or Dow Corning and I was talking about the Lightwaves Perkinamine and when I mentioned Fred Leonberger he took a step back and said “WOW” and something to the effect that I do not understand the significance, the respect that Leonberger has in that community, both political and commercial . Oh and by the way after researching what Lightwave has he did in fact buy stock in the company. (Oh and for you Gig types when I mentioned Larry Dalton and the Lumera molecule, he said that he knows Larry and that,,,,,, ah never mind, the Gig clowns will think that I’m bashing) Anyhow when I asked the guy questions about the science (his English was bad and he was talking over my head) he would go get books and bring them to me, he was trying to become my buddy I guess, anyhow he’s gone by the wayside but I did bounce quite a few hypothetical’s off him, just not my cup of rice. The bottom line is that he became an investor.
So I think the short answer to your question is insider information is the reason. The bottom line is that Tom Zelibor is a formal Admiral, he will tell you straight up that he is managing this in a very conservative fashion and that he refuses to succumb to pressure by investors to move forward on the Public relations front until the science is ready.
Well guys this is what he said "With many positive developments in progress, I strongly believe now is the time to present the investment thesis to select institutional investors.” And "We have a compelling story as we approach an outstanding opportunity to penetrate enormous markets desperate for solutions to increase bandwidth while at the same time, lowering costs. Institutional investors need to be made aware of organic, nonlinear electro-optical polymers and the future of organics in the electro-optic device markets."
This science is VERY deep, it took me years to understand.
The majorities guys in this company are some of the most knowledgeable in the world in this field, shoot Joe Miller the Senior Vice President and CTO the man credited with saving Corning glass is here, when the time is right he can demand an audience with almost any CEO in the world. I sat behind him at the shareholders meeting and when Zelibor said that Miller and Leonberger were here because they believe in this science and see something in it he (very, very subtly) nodded his head. I’m probably the only one that noticed, it is that and words like “our” used by Leonberger that are important to pick up on. Oh and Fasick, now Fasick is the guy that has IMO gave this whole companpy credibility, I’ve meet numerous people that worked for him when he was the V.P. at Dupont that knew him for 20 or 30 years when asked about him could not speak more highly about an individual. This science is Very, Very, Very difficult to understand, geez I think Fasick looked at it for a year or 2 prior to lending his name to it. So you either believe them or you don’t, not sure how I got off on that tangent but some day this Ponz guy that posts under many names is going to be kicking himself for trying to discredit this, make up things about me (which I find amusing) and trying to somehow trash the Goetzs and this company, the only reason that I can come up with is that I was right years ago, I make one post that turns out to be correct and he flips out for months (I live rent free in that boys head), he doesn’t say that I was right that (Gig) stock has been one of the worst investments I’ve ever seen, but they persist. Just looked Ponz is up first thing Saturday morning posting on a Lightwave Logic board, LOL. Honestly Ponz, I’m just a normal dude. Most of the gang here has met me, but I guess the internet has given folks, I don’t know something weird to hide behind, I’d say that he’ll be disappearing in a few months and reinventing himself as a long here, and as Forest Gump would say, "that is about all I’ve got to say about that". And no Ponzi I’m not going to spend all day playing on here, I’ve got about 3 or 4 cord of wood to bring in for the winter.
Good question though Inversor, hey why don’t you call Steve Cordovano and ask him it what I’ve said about insider knowledge preventing them from buying is true.
X
Just being honest Reds, sorry Proto it was out there for a while as Buzzy said now it is gone. No IMO we should not post it, some on here just ruin it, sorry guys.
And Hey I could be totally wrong.
We cannot micro manage this and second guess them from the sidelines, we have the power of the vote once a year that is what we can effect so we cannot change anything even if we wanted to until Next July. We also can sell at buy and change the price but the MM’s also can play with us on that.
IMO The only thing whining and complaining can do is bring others down. I swear it never fails when they release news on the next logical step forward someone will always call me complaining that it wasn’t 2 steps, (not fun to listen to). Anyhow I guess some people like to invest money and then look for as many reasons as possible to complain. I’m not Bi Polar but I don’t care if they marry, LOL. Thanks goodness for my pornographic memory.
As you guys are looking at the technology I think that we will play in the single mode market I think 1310nm and up so keep that in mind, I’m 90% certain on that one. Not to say that it can not be converted somehow to multimodal and I think that 1310nm also works on multimode ish. Oh that has nothing to do with why I’m stoked.
Gluck
X
OH YEH,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Good Luck everyone.
LOL,
Life's Good then you die
I won't elaborate but I think that we are close, very close. As the big money comes in and the folks start buying 10k to 100k per institutional investor per day we will head north at a very steady pace. How long it takes for them to get it out there and how long it takes for investors to digest it and comprehend it is anyone's guess.
I'm holding tight, very tight. Unless the sellers are stupid it has to head north. Hey if you need the money though don't hold off on my hunch do what you have to do because I could be wrong as I have so many times in the past and if I'm right things could always change or someone could throw a monkey wrench in it. This is NOT based on any insider knowledge so don't even go there., just research.
X
Don't bother calling me because I won't elaborate.
This is the end to post on Yahoo, as usual that board is blocking me, can one of you copy this and try to post the following beneath it, perhaps it will let another ID post it.
Title it from X's post on Ihub, thanks.
On the other hand Lightwave’s molecules can hold up to CMOS temperatures, is super fast and will enable the creation of Plastic Components, OH and it is compatible with silicon which will enable a bridge from Electronics to Phonics Electo-Optic and on to All Optic. Oh and has an R-33 north of 250 picometers per volt which means it is VERY green. This science is hard to grasp but Ol Man Goetz did it, he has since passed away but the group that has came in proves that the ol guy nailed it.
Later Tator
I thought forints now about Lightwave logic stated that "produces prototype devices" or something like that. I could be wrong Later
Uhhhhhhhh let me think. What did z want in his hand?
Yes it is. Honestly when z mentioned the non deal raid show in 2012 I googled it and honestly I think it's a good thing but,,,,,whatever. I mean why would we want a company putting us in front if investors they will just run up the price and we'll have trouble buying it cheap. Later tater
No but will crap tour pants when you read it. I'm n my I phone and can delete my post. Could one the moderator make it go away. When you find it don't say anything I'd appreciate it. Very just asked for something. It will definitely set you back when you see it. It may no longer be there it may just live in my cache. Not sure.
Pretty sure that he was brought in (prematurely) by Phil Smith so I’d guess that once Phil departed and Olson's contract was up he was toast. But yes I agree, why in the world they would they hire someone so early in the game is beyond me. Oh just thought of something, that was pre device strategy so I guess that he was just going to peddle Perk, raw perkinamine, so when the plan changed they didn't need him.
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Ok guys whatever I ain't playing this game. Good luck bitching and holding, Then complaining im not playing that game it can be a self fulfilling prophecy. I'll be buying. Mystery loves company SO have fun. What makes you think z pushing the lab is a bad thing. I'm glad he's paying attention. Pushing helping correcting giving them what it takes. Have fun whining. x
That is their liquid crystal ladar. Lightwave will sell some to CU they furnish to BNL. Different programs grants/funding.
Agreed , kinda , it took a few years to have Phil "get it" he was told the first week. Oh we'll water over the dam Z has straightened it out and yes Phil and JM did arrange for the LPC Money so all was not lost but, Whatever. Agreed a more dynamic leader with good communication skills would have got us there sooner. What a crazy path it has been but to give up just as they are getting their act together is IMO not exactly using your noggin. iPhone MSG prolly screwed up. Gotta run
Remember how long it took us to figure out what Lightwaves Perkinamine was about?
The world is just about to understand what Electo Optics (2nd Order) the next step in computing and communication is all about, in fact Intel is getting ready to spend Millions teaching the world and Lightwaves got an entire platform of Molecules, AND Lightwave”s Indigo also has Chi-3, (3rd order Light Controlling Light Properties), you heard it slip out of Michelson mouth about Indigo and if you listen closely setting up another area in the lab for 3rd order work (up to that point they had never told us that about Indigo only NR), F’in Fempto second response time (what 1 second is to 37 Million Years) that can withstand CMOS temperatures and NO protection, you also heard Leonberger talk about borrowing technology from cell phones, IMO the answer lies right there. If you think Leonberger and Miller are here for tidly winks then WHATEVER.
Miller was in front of me and subtly nodded his head when Z said they wouldn’t be here if they didn’t believe in it and Leonberger was using terms like “ours”, they believe in it so I don’t care how long it takes I’m hanging around. (It would be nice though to see Miller publicly put some coin in the game but he knows the deal on the LSS so he may not be allowed)
It is just quantum physics no big deal anyone can do it and understand it. < - - remember there are 100 Perkinamine molecules in the period at the end of the sentence, easy cheesy stuff.
“Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.”
Thomas A. Edison
The guys are Lightwave are not quitters, all of these guys are HUGE leaders in their field, I’m not sure why all of the sudden some of you guys are bummed, that's the vibe I’m getting. Oh well, bad attitudes are contagious but I’m not participating.
I can hear some a year from now, Remember when, I wished, I’d, shoulda, woulda, coulda, At One time,,,,,,,
Life is Good Then You Die, let us just hope we aren’t dead by the time they crack this nut.
As for me, I’m staying the course and as always picking up more along the way, they have only been running this as a true business since Miller Left Corning and Z took over what about 1 1/2 years ogo. They WILL GET THERE!
Snez, off to the beach tomorrow morning, I found one of the plugs in the ski was smushed that should give me an extra 10mph.
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Agreed. One yard line Who Knows where we are
And what if they be agreed to spend x numer of dollars per month enginering our material and as long as they are expending that capital we are beholden to them. So In that case one might choose to develop a device or 3 on Their own. Hey like I said of you don't think they know what they are doing sell.
OK I only have minute, honestly the timeline match exactly what we have been hearing over the past 2 years. Yes I agree that Bintz stated 18 to 24 months to get designed in. I do think that we are working with Intel. This may not make any sense but I don’t expect to hear Lightwaves name even if we do have some Perk in the devices, I don’t like it but that is what I understand. You either put your faith in them or you don’t, I choose to put my faith that they are doing the right thing for us and that we do not understand or see the entire picture. Again I only have minute so here goes.
Even if this Intel/Corning news does not “publicly” involve our technology in the end this should still bode well for Lightwave. We’ve (the investors) all spent years getting up to speed understanding this technology and we WILL be playing in this same space so IMO as the folks start to get it and look at Lightaves Perkinamine Platform of Molecules a rising tide will lift our boat as well. I forget who it was but one the seniors at Lightwave said something to the effect that even when the LSS unveils a device with our molecule they may choose not to disclose what is making it tick. In other words we may still be under and NDA seeing our Perk in a device and still not allowed to tell anyone. It sucks but that is what I’ve understood. Furthermore we may not be in these particular devices but it does not mean that we are not working with them. Honestly I haven’t a clue, but I won’t be disappointed if I don’t hear Lightwaves name. Have any of you guys ever looked at Bintz and where his home turf is?
Anyone that wants to wait and try and time it good luck, just don't try to buy more than a few thousand shares and hope that 100 others aren't buying a few thousand shares at the same time. I'm in, I'm Good.
Later, No Time to Proof
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Legman Yes you are correct. At the 2012 Shareholdrs meting Joe Miller (former CTO Corning) had a slide with a graph showing Germanium, Gallium Arsenide and Lithium Niobate stepping up to Perkinamine. The important thing about Perkinamine is that it does not occur naturally and therefore is protected by a patent, the others occur naturally in nature as does graphene, therefore it is available to whoever wants to make it and play with it and that is why you see so much research with them. There is one other company that has a material similar Lightwaves it is called Gig Optix, the problem with that molecule (M3 I think they call it now) is that it cannot handle CMOS temperatures and because of oxygen cannot hold up in the earth’s atmosphere, they are forced to vacuum pack it in Kovar which makes the devices Large stand-alone (off the chip) and expensive. That company states that their product is on silicon and has small form factor,( IMO kind of deceiving to anyone not paying attention) The guys here hate when I point out what is wrong with that because they think that I’ll upset someone at the other company but the bottom line is that we as investors need to understand what is out there and how it will be excepted. I’ve watched that company go from $50 bucks to a dollar. I could be wrong but Keep an eye on it I’m betting it will go south of a dollar do a reverse split in the next 3 or 4 months, after all you can fool some othe people some of the time but the market will eventually figure it out.
Good Luck, Good Questions, Oh when I respond in addition to responding to myself I’m also hitting others so keep Digging and asking the questions.
The only stupid question that I’ve ever heard came from me when I asked the tour guide at Gettysburg why they fought all the Civil war battles in National Parks. Lol
Gotta Run
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Sure I’ll take a crack at it. The Perkinamine is placed in a host polymer, the amount of Perk that a host can hold is important (solubility), think of putting table spoons of salt in a glass of water. There is also a solvent in the mix. The patented spacer system around the perkinamine molecule helps to line them up. They mix it up and drop in on a film, spin the film (like paint art on the boardwalk) to spread out the mix evenly. Then they heat it to melt the host, cook off the solvent and pole it (apply voltage) that lines up the molecules, then cool it to lock it in place. Then they apply electrodes and do their measurements. IMO the host needs to be very clear, able to withstand High temperatures and as I understand it solubility is important. Bintz had a slide up listing Polyimide & Polyethermide as 2 of the host polymers and the LSS is listed as proprietary (the guys in the lab may not even know what it is). Where it gets a little fuzzy to me is when they put the Perk in the slot on a device because when they measure the properties on a thin film they are testing it at 90 or 45 degrees and going through a very thin (a micron or two) but if they put it in a waveguide the light would have to travel the length of slot so that host would have to be very clear so as to not slow or alter the lightwave.
OK “specific performance attributes for their application” Leonberger in his modulator 101 talk spoke about tradeoffs that can be made for Bandwidth, Drive Voltage, Insertion Loss, Size and Yield so I’d guess that is what they are looking at.
I hope that answers your question.
No comment on Opsys, they moved 3,000 miles to Lil Ol Delware and U of W wasn’t exactly happy about the move, they are right down the street from Lightwave, not sure what the current relationship is. Locally, it looks like Hochberg is literally taking over real-estate at the university though, no details as to what is going on in that space, But something sure is.
Oh remember though that Gig has first rights to anything developed at U of W. Just Saying.
Quantum computing is above my pay grade, I'd be making stuff up if I responded.
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No Legman it was not month to month and Yahoo (as usual) is wrong, if my memory serves me right this is about a 5% pay raise for Tom, I don’t have a problem with someone getting a 5% raise honestly it is not worth even talking about. I see Buchi was awarded a few more shares now he’s up to 250k, at least Buchi’s (and Fasick) have some coin in the game.
Oh and Six yes the Spacer was a big deal they thought they had it licked, obviously far from it, if I remember at that time they could not see the dirt in the mix, just going from memory. I think it was Accelepure (I put some coin in them) tried to clean up that version of Perk but it was so dirty it fouled their equipment. I think I lost $125k on that venture and they went BK (I stopped by the lab in time to see them moving out equipment). Anyhow I think one of their devices ended up in the lab and is still in there today I'm pretty sure I saw it during the lab tour at the SHM, pointed to it I mumbled something to Z he said something like "whatever X" so at least, so I guess it helped, I guess it helped someone, in the end maybe me? I don't think that Z understood the relevance of what I was trying to say, we moved on to the other area.
What a long convoluted road this has been.
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Like I'm laying that reasoning out here, nope. Just a hunch of course I don't know that for sure prolly a good bet though
I think he's already there ;)