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Why would you make a statement like that? I'd really like to know what drives you to such a conclusion. For one thing it just shows what a bad judge of character you are and a bad listener because I have definitely been a shareholder for close to 13 yrs and am still. I have noted that many times as well as detailed my entire trip with vplm. So that means you either don't believe truthful ppl or don't listen and are a poor judge of the facts. No wonder you think the vplm crew is there at headquarters, lol. You've a lot to learn and I always tell the truth so bad for you that you think differently.
Best of luck. I already made my profit with vplm years ago and vowed to never buy them again which pretty much turned out to be a good decision as I would have lost alot again. I'm fine wit the profit I made which I put to good use and the shares I still hold. But again, why would you reach that conclusion? Do you actually think that some can't hold shares and be negative on the company? If so that's foolish.
Sounds to me that you reached some redneck answering service. Lord Emu is Egyptian. The others directors none are Texas drawl types. So what was the context and content of that call pray tell? Find the address if you can and do a Google on it. I think the addy can be found in an of the filings. This is just an online operation.
There's something else that I wanted to say to you in that last reply I made but I think I forgot...
You sounded as tho you were contradicting yourself... Here's why...
"Now what I will say is I believe that Emil and others within the company are taking advantage of the situation they have created for sole purpose of enriching themselves."
I hate to tell you but to make that statement and at the same time say no way lord Emu could be scamming.......wwwwwell......pardon me but I'm sure that many ppl would agree that is a conflicting thing to say. It just doesn't jive. That amounts pretty closely to fraud and when added to the fact that he was indeed found guilty of breach of fiduciary duty AND UNJUST SELF ENRICHMENT by a jury of his peers......
and add to that how he twice sued Cameron and promised publicly to take the trial to the end and then walked out on both trials on the 1st day when Cameron showed him proof.......wwwell.....not too cool.........and later he promised that he had found computer meta data that proved cameron had changed the dates on his evidence that showed when he, Cameron, had written the script......oh, and then there was the time he hired his brother to run his nightclub even after the reports (that I posted the newspaper article here several times) said that his bro was a convicted or known pimp. That's an honest and forthright man?
He says also that he's a co-founder of Thorne bio medical doing years of cancer research in Germany. Maybe so. But I did extensive research on this and could not find a single word anywhere on the internet to show that company even exists. The funny part is there IS an American company by the exact same name that does cancer work and he is not associated with that. How to explain this? Show me any evidence whatsoever that there is a company by that name that he is a co-founder of. What is it....a secret company?
And where are his operas? And where are his children's books?
But forget about all that and just go by your own statement above where you accuse him of self enrichment at the cost of his shareholders and how that equates to him not being scam capable. If you backpedal it will only look worse.
You missed the point and you missed the mark. You are ironically making yourself be guilty of the same sort of ideals you spoke of in you previous post. My post, 1st of all, was NOT about vplm being a scam. It was supposed to be in agreement with your points about being fair about other opinions. I made the expressed point in my reply that vplm could be for real or not. Apparently you skipped over that part. It was simply about treating other posters ideas with resect and consideration. I did not make it about a scam except at the end when posed the good questions that I did.
According to your post, being intelligent and successful rules out a scam so I guess you're saying that Bernie Madoff and those whom he conspjred with were not intelligent, successful or sophisticated...
You made good set of points then proceeded to negate yourself because just as my post was not about vplm being a scam, your previous post was not about it being for real, but you decided to take it there because you don't agree with my ideas. So you took a left turn from what you were saying at 1st.
My ideas and theories may or may not be right but they have many facts and logic and critical thinking behind them support them. Which ones of them, in particular, have you taken to task on their particular merits, to show it to be wrong?
With due respect, did you not read my last reply to your call for this? Do you not believe or not understand.........the so called headquarters are nothing more than a rented front, just an address and phone forwarding service. There is no one there. It was the same for Bellevue and the same for Waco. Just a ploy to enable them to get the cases transferred to very friendly judge. You'd be wasting your time to go there. There was some bullshit artist here years ago swearing up a d down that he takes a plane to the headquarters and meets with all the boys over lunch there and made fun of all the rest of the shareholders he said didn't have the wherewithal to do the same. It was checked out. It's just rental agency for virtual offices. Vplm is nothing more than lord Emu sitting in a booth at his restaurant with a laptop. Try to get it...
Getting new patents, esp in foreign lands, is not "always good news" if they are worthless and so far, ever since any of them that have been created, which goes back close to 20 yrs for the core, they have been and are worthless by any definition. Regardless of how long the courts take, the fact that not a single voip service provider within the purview of the vplm patents has ever bought, licensed, settled for or partnered with, despite the hundreds of billions of dollars they are alleged to be worth in various ways not to mention the power of owning the control of the most ubiquitous communication tool in history, TELLS THE STORY! And the story is......that makes no sense. That is totally against human nature. There has never before been a case like this where such an unfathomable fortune is left in the middle of the road for any competitors to snatch up at any moment. Those are very cogent and compelling factors. People here even refused to answer the simple question asked many times of: if you had the money, would you buy the patents. No one can or will answer it because of the implications any answer would present.
Ok, and so that implies that you have done so, right? And you are here with YOUR REPORT! Lay it on us bro!
Excellent revelatory post. So true and so important. I have tried to say the same thing in my own ways on numerous occasions but that was very well put. It also reveals how damaging, ironically, the elitist pro views can be and how they sometimes go so far as to directly state or imply that opposing views have no place here and should begone. I'm sure you've seen that many times. Fair and balanced should not be a mere nice sounding epithet, it should be strived for and practiced, especially in pennystocks msg boards where the chit chat is more volatile than the stocks. It's called really keepin it real. One of the most important things I've learned is to find truth is to exercise checks and balances which is akin to the scientific method I think. If anything, more negative sentiments than positive ones, you would expect to see in the real low level pink and other level otc stocks that single pennies range. Whether vplm turns out to be totally for real or not, it has a very hi end story behind it and much to support it being real, apparently, but as I wrote here long ago, you can't run a successful scam anymore if it's basic and obvious. It has to be extremely sophisticated and with major knowledge behind it, if it's to be a successful scam. So just because things look very real and promising on various levels, does not mean it is nor it isn't.
I've connected many dots on the negative outlook and done so intelligently, despite the ridiculers and namecallers, etc and I've proffered some very compelling questions that surely ought to be answered if some think that what they might imply or show, is not correct. Dismissing them and/or ridiculing is not a good way to discern the truth. Neither is bragging about one's positions or self congratulating. Every idea that is put forth honestly and genuinely should be given respect and treated soberly.
Like lemmings, see them go....
It's nothing more than monkey wrench maintenance. It is designed to help keep shareholders strung along. Played like a violin and strummed like a banjo. Lord Emu depends on the faithful to keep supporting the cause. Little bones have to be thrown out to shareholders on an ongoing basis, to keep them on the hook. And they ask so little.
Joy, joy joy. 2 more new patents in India. I'm so happy, I'm beside myself. Hey, maybe we can have a contest... Number of patents vs number of IPR "wins". It's 40 to 38 currently. Gosh gee, Mr Malaks words "patience is a virtue" are soooo inspiring... Oh, happy day!
I bet a few shareholders have died happy with those inspirational words on their mind and in their hearts, over the last decade.
But he is a magician and magicians whole thing is deception. Next.
Touching the 16s...rut roh
Wow. Perfect record so far...
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Carnac just made an appearance and did he unload some interesting tidbits. Short little offerings like “Something really big by 10/15”
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Hello Rapz, all he said was that it would be a catalyst event. We shall see.
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Carnac just stopped by and said to be ready for something big that will come by the end of next week. We shall see.
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Watch for a possible huge surprise at the end of this month.
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That’s ok because my LONG time cause will be met shortly.
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So your pretty sure they’re worthless. Really. We will find out real soon
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Will the 24th be historical? We shall see
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Thanks Rapz. Very insightful. Speaking of insightful, Carnac gives his regards and also says that the 24th could be very interesting.
He also believes big news will be coming out before the next quarterly financials are released
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- I believe that vplm will reap both the infringement rewards from cases that have been negotiated to close and also add a healthy gain from a total sale.
- Actions over the next two weeks will confirm my prediction.
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Carnac told me BIG announcement coming our way TODAY !!!! Hold on to your hats or big fluffy swami headpieces.
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"My opinions are what I express in my posts....each and every one of them. BUT...I was wrong once and could be wrong again sometime so do your own research and don't blame me if you are too lazy to do so."
You need to update your siggy to say: ".....could be wrong again and again and again and again... "
You were wrong b4 and are still wrong. I schooled you in the facts but you chose to play hookey. I never thought I would agree with Emu or him me, but I accidently came across this... It is an excerpt from an article written by guess who?.......your savior, lord Emu of Egypt. It 100% says what I told you and fully contradicts your fallacious contentions. I schooled you but you didn't bother to either back up your contentions with some supporting facts or to apologize and agree. Pay closest attention to the bold and highlighted parts.
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"Leave Patents to the USPTO
Courts should never be tasked with dealing with the complexities of patent validity because they lack the necessary technical expertise.
Patent validity issues such as sections 101, 102, 103, indefiniteness, and all other technical matters should be decided prior to a patent being issued by technically qualified examiners at the USPTO, not by the court. Once issued, a patent should only be challengeable at the USPTO, and only for a predetermined period, i.e. six months. The courts should only decide matters of infringement and damages.
No aspects of patent law should ever be subjective. Congress can fix the inconsistencies between the USPTO and the courts and put them on the same page by passing laws that clearly define patent validity guidelines, i.e. what is abstract. Life in the 21st century is dependent on computers. Consequently, many software-centric patents adding new inventive steps are being developed, only to be labeled abstract by the courts and invalidated. The lack of uniformity is responsible for nullifying valuable patents and strengthening the chokehold the Silicon Valley has on the necks of small inventors. Courts should only deal with infringement and damages based solely on clearly these defined guidelines."
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Above is in compete agreement with what I told you when you said I need to learn patent law. Actually, I know very little about patent law. What I had told you was based completely on common sense.
This copied from today and pasted here:
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http://www.voip-pal.com
Phone:954-495-4600
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They don't even know where there own headquarters are.... (which doesn't matter since they don't really have a headquarters anyhow)
Vplm was in the business of voip service provider for many years.
WHY DID THEY QUIT?
Vplm.....a case history of promises unfulfilled. Lies about imminent deals and offers on the table. Very carefully worded PRs that seethe ambiguity. Way secretive. Share printing and selling on a massive scale that destroys otherwise growth in price. Delays, delays, delays, delays, delays. Settlements, that spur more sales, but amount to nothing for shareholders. IR that only responds to specially pre-vetted ppl and ignores the rest. Lies about never selling shares until the shareholders are 1st rewarded, disregarded to sell and sell and sell bazillions. Decades of averaging around a penny or 2 share price. A motto of being the leader of the industry......but zero followers. A history of never taking any responsibility or blaming themselves for the long term failure to succeed for shareholders........while they have a bottomless pit personal ATM that provides the inside with what they want and need.
This is their legacy. I know, I know.....next year
62 companies plus many many more never yet named (VoIP service providers) and every single last one all decided to steal vplm's patents (from where??) and every last one decided to use that stolen technology to build their products and every last one decided to not worry about or do anything about the fact that vplm showed the clearly have the ability to raise all the cash necessary to take care of all business and take care of all lawsuits with no problem, even though they know they are or eventually will be be sued for billions and billions. And not a single one thought to exercise fiduciary responsibility. And nary a one thought to mitigate the danger by purchasing a license or to settle or to buy a priceless goldmine (the patents). Above because they must all be under the same spell or the same borg hive mentality. Even the ones currently in court don't seem to care.
And while that may seem pretty crazy, it's not as crazy as the group of shareholders that don't see how utterly insane that is... It's group insanity. Mass hysteria.
"Voip-Pal.com Inc. (“Voip-Pal,” or the “Company”) is a global leader in cost-efficient technology that enables high-volume text, voice and digital multi-media communications."
So says vp about themselves and they have basically said the same for last dozen yrs or so.
PROBLEM IS, THERE IS NOT ANOTHER PERSON, GROUP OR COMPANY THAT AGREES WITH IT AND NEVER HAS BEEN! (except a few msg board beliebers)
Notice how lord Emu calls them "favorable IPR decisions"....NOT WINS!
Same as I do, cuz they are not wins. But when I say it, it's agued up and down that it's not correct. When he says it, like in last PR, it fine, lololol.
Hard to believe your that naive. Rich lives in Florida and has never been to Waco or, for that matter, Bellevue. You don't understand how these pennystocks farces work. Both the Bellevue and Waco "headquarters" are nothing more than rented addresses for legal purposes. These rentals include phone answering and forwarding services as well. The rental office in Washington was originally $79 per month and later was raised to $99. If they wanted to have someone show up for a meeting, some rentals allow for that some don't. It depends on the rental agreement. And you also need help discerning the difference between humor and facts. Rental offices are a well known fact. Most everyone here knows that. Dummies in the window are humor based on the fact of fake rental Headquarters. Fact is today's reality of operating so called businesses from home using a computer.
Get with the program friend! I don't just make stuff up but you also need to recognize hyperbole and humor and poetic license. It's not as if this elements are hidden. Get a grip
Amazon is a win. Isn't it great? Did you call the yacht dealer yet? It's all under an nda. Hush hush. Don't worry, the cash will secretly be direct deposited into your acct.
What's wrong with bullshit artist rich "inYA pocket's" Inza?
Besides, Waco is nothing more than an address so they could get into the WDTX court. There ain't no one there, lol. Maybe they store the $12k office chairs there..
Vplm is a mirage. It's nothing more than lord Emu and his laptop, sitting in a booth at his pizza shop, in the hotbed of pennystocks scam central, Vancouver or at his home office directing Mrs Emu what and when to sell. The rest of the "crew" are just names and/or figureheads who get contacted by phone, email or text. There are no heads in headquarters. Maybe a dummy sitting in a chair with back to the front window, similar to the dummies ppl use in their cars so they think they can get away with using the fast lane. If you get too close it'll disappear cuz it's a mirage.
Omg....this can't be right... Did I hear that lord Emu now claiming letter writing is an infringement? Damn..... What about Vulcan mind melds? Prophecy?
Be careful.....the vplm thought police might start sending you an infringement bill...
Well, wait a second. If lord Emu said that every text is an infringement of the patents, I believe that would be wrong. Regular texting relies on a network signal. Texting CAN be done via a voip or internet connection but I think most texting is done via regular network which is not the internet. Vplm has already maintained for years that ALL voip usage is an infringement, which I don't believe for a second, but now, it sounds like they are claiming that maybe all life on earth infringes on vplm patents. If it breathes.....INFRINGEMENT! If it moves...... INFRINGEMENT! If it metabolizes....... INFRINGEMENT!
And yet......after ALL THESE YEARS........they are one and three quarters of a cent.
Sumpin vewy vewy scwewy goin on awound heah...
Actually, it's kind of expensive talk.. Look how much money they keep on donating to the lord Emu keep us livin high on the hog fund!
Didn't deserve a mic drop as it's 100% wrong. Didn't even deserve a mic. Of course the challenge will not be met.
Actually, everyday it ticks just like a watch......round and round and never gets anywhere except another day of the same and so on and so on and so forth. Keep winding or keep popping new batteries in and it'll keep goin and goin just like vplm was designed to do.
Additionally and FYI, the uspto is considered to be the ultimate experts on patent validity. That's been discussed here numerous times. And......it so happens that the IPRs were indeed trials held in courts. Someone took that idea to task once and I researched it and they definitely were trials in a court and their decisions stated they upheld the validity of the patents although I disagree with that verbiage. As far as I'm concerned, the validity of the patents was challenged by various companies and they lost all the challenges which meant that vplm neither gained nor lost anything other than bragging rights and I'm told also stopped rights. But when those IPRs were ruled upon by the judges, a tribunal, they had nothing more than they had before the challenges. They were left with exactly the same thing they had the moment the patents changed from application to patent. A patent is valid otherwise it would not be a patent, period. And I also don't believe the uspto said that only a judge can rule on validity and not the uspto. I think that's patently wrong. A patent is valid until it's made invalid such as in an IPR.
Please show anything that in the law that states otherwise. I don't believe you can and if you can't, then most likely you have learned wrongly about this. I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm wrong if you can show proof. My take is so obviously correct, it seems, that I'm way sure it's right.
I have been here for close to 13 yrs on this. I'm no patent law expert for sure but I've done more DD, research, reading on as many aspects as I can wrap my head around so that I know what I'm talking about when I make statements and for my own knowledge and understanding. I've researched a huge amount of people more than you can shake a stick at. However, in this case, all I need is my common sense IMHO. I'm absolutely certain that a patent is VALID the moment it is born, same as a baby is a human the moment it is born. The difference is you can't take away being human but you can invalidate patents. That said, a patent is as valid as a newborn baby is human. I take issue 100% with you stating that a patent is not valid when parenthood is issued. Of course it is. It's a simple definition of the word valid. A patent is valid in every way shape and form until such time that a judge in an IPR trial or some other legal means finds some reason to invalidate a patent. Just the term invalidate implies initial validity. Common sense dictates that a patent award by the uspto makes it a valid patent. I challenge you to show otherwise anything under the law that supports your contention that a patent is not valid when it becomes a patent. To me, that notion is absurd. I highly doubt you can show something to support it's not valid. Ridiculous I say.
Is THAT right? What is it that need to learn and/or what is it that I stated that you THINK is not correct?
Found out why you don't hear anything from vplm ever.....
It costs $.02 to put "your two cents in" but vplm is only $.0175
Shame on the mess
Are you being moronic or is that just an act? I had thought that I blocked you as I tired of your insulting and rude remarks and had no use for them anymore, not even for the usual entertainment purposes. But apparently the button malfunctioned or something because I see your post when I should not. Oh, and by the way, the fact that you actually think you can dictate to others how to write or how many words etc, truly reveals your narcissistic personality (I'm a student of psychology). That part is still mildly amusing but I don't like to find too much humor in others misgivings as I know you can't help it. Also not too sharp cuz after all your constant immature insulting comments to which I let you know I didn't appreciate and twice I offered to just let it lie, which you obviously don't have the balls to do, so one would at least assume the obvious that I wouldn't want you to jump in like a speed freak or something to answer, no, to throw more insults. A person with common sensabilities would just step aside and let someone else answer. This solidifies your diagnosis. Anyhoo, know that I will be sure this time to make sure you go on the blocked list so when you inevitably attempt to throw more sophomoric insults, I will not see them cuz I will test the block this time to make sure and so you will be surely doing so to impress yourself and you hope, others. I don't know if blocked posters are shown anything so that they know they are but that matters not to me. So this time, you may as well stand in front of a mirror when you sling your hate, because you'll be addressing yourself. If you don't believe it, doesn't matter cuz I'm the one who won't see your crap anymore.
Oh, that was under 10 words, no? See cat? See cat play? See John? See john run?
*** This just in... Vplm is sinking lower and lower into never never land. Soon we'll need a scanning tunneling scope to see it.. However it may be mitigated by some quick calls to get that price back up over 2 cents which is most likely what will happen very soon as they can not allow the price to keep sinking. The big mean green machine depends on approx 2 to 2.5 cents to keep the ATM running smoothly and adequately for all the checks (shares) that need to get mailed out. I think the dip is actually designed to stimulate some buying. Haha someone yest said that all the babs selling was just a tiny percentage of her holdings. I beg to differ. Oh, and the word is "rhetorical" not "ironic"...
Buh-bye bubbie...
I am surprised to see price dip this low. I can only assume it's due to all the insider selling. Could someone kindly explain to me how that works to cause price to dip continuously as of late, seemingly in lockstep with the insider selling. Is it simply that they sell so cheap that it drives down the ask? Appreciate any insight on how that selling affects the price. I'm sure also that as some shareholders have just had enough of this non productiveness and sell, that probably also does some to drive price down.
It would also seem that all those you hear bragging about it's such a great buying opportunity to load up......well, apparently they're not actually doing so...
That is incorrect. A patent is valid intrinsically. The moment it becomes or is approved as a patent by the uspto, it is then a valid patent, not because of what its value or what it may or may not be able to do, but because it met the criteria required by uspto to become a patent. Thus a patent is fully valid it's entire life unless and until someone comes along and challenges uspto as much as the patent itself, for that intrinsic validity. And if the challenge is successful, then the patent becomes invalidated unless, I think, only some component of the patent is invalidated but the rest of the patent remains valid. Has to be 1 or the other.
And so, since none of the many challenges to the patents has resulted in any kind of invalidation, then of course, the patents are intact and the same as the day they were born, validity wise. They have not gained anything in the process, only successfully defended themselves against the challenges. Unless you can show where any of above is not fully factual, then it becomes obvious that the infringement trials are NOT about validity. They can't be. Makes no sense. The trials are about showing that the defendants have indeed stolen and used or use the technology imbedded in the patents. That is nothing to do with validity. It's more of did your hands go in the cookie jar and did the cookies wind up in your belly?
"And not all patents are valid as the only entity to make that determination is the court AFTER a lawsuit."
That is PATENTLY a false statement. All patents are valid unless and until a challenger, usually via an IPR trial, successfully gets a patent or some part of it made to be invalid. It's my belief that a judge and jury determines if the patent was truly infringed upon NOT whether it's valid or not.
The value of vplm shares is about the same as what it costs to manufacture a penny these days.
At the same time, you're supposed to believe that the potential value, all told, of owning the patents is in the range of a trillion dollars. Realistically. That's like trying to connect a dot from here to pluto.
Wishful thinking allows ppl to ignore this disparate fact and maintain their belibership.
Not only will this sophisticated farce start unraveling at some point, that too will be mostly kept secret as to the details.......to protect the guilty. The shadow knows
Oh triple this and double that and treble this and they're desperate this and worried that and our stuff is rock solid, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah........and oh what an exciting time to load up.......... yada yada yada......
.........and yet the price keeps falling slowly surely steadily..... but if all those things were true, the price would steadily be climbing. Duh.
The patents are real. The lawyers are real. The hearings are real. The IPRs are real. The validity is real. The damage estima:tes are real. The logical discussions here about what going on behind the scenes are pretty logical (sometimes)............
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infringement can never be shown and/or invalidity can still be monkey wrenched in.
That's what I think will happen because so many dots don't connect.
Anyone (and that's many shareholders) who still believe that not a single voip service provider out there, named, sued or not, has not had the common sense and fiduciary sense to license or settle BEFORE they are hit on the head with ever increasing infringement damages........does not understand the nature of what's going on. And THAT'S including the fact that vplm has easily (in direct contrast and conflict with what we were told when this began) been able to raise all the funds necessary to wage a world class offense including 1 super lawyer after another. Therefore the dots don't connect and it doesn't make sense, in terms of its all good. It's not and that will unravel sooner or later.
Your main point seems to hinge on patent validity. I have tried to no avail, for years, to teach that patent validity has nothing to do with need, value, efficacy, current workability and most especially not, infringement. When a patent becomes a patent, it's valid, period......until and unless someone challenges it and it's found to no longer be valid. ALL PATENTS ARE VALID!!! otherwise they wouldn't be a patent. A stack of IPR "wins" 8 miles high would not ensure infringement and would not mean a guarantee a given patent can do anything it claims.......... BUT IT'S STILL VALID!