I knew you knew that. Your always right. That's why I stopped. The nation and the world have never been better off. Except for 8 years ago when it was better off.

Yes, you win.

clearly not worth arguing with. Your facts are debatable but you are not.

Hilarious, you probably spent some Monica time in the oval office with GB.

yeah and Iraq had nuclear weapons 1/3 reduced national debt from what point? not hard to do when you run it into the trillions

I can't private and I'm sure this will be deleted as well, but I'm so jealous of those fish you've got. I've never caught anything like that. 3 pound bass once. I think. just how did you do that, or more to the point how did you get that good and how can I get that good.

look at the housing market and yes they did. Patriot act remember.

Yeah, that does seem crazy high.


ot:I guess my fish question got deleted. Nice fish though. Wish I could learn how to catch those.

Hillary is not the answer, but look at what GB and Cronies did with an all Republican Gov. Spend, spend spend till we're trillions in debt with no hope for recovery. Oh, give up your civil rights too, you don't need those.

do you know how to read a newspaper?

You could also stop parsing my words.

Nothing absurd about my opinion. George has proceeded to spend the blood of our nation in an unnecessary and possibly Illegal war in Iraq in order to enrich his buddies (simplified but valid view) at an enormous cost to the nation. Many examples are available in the opinions of former administration officials of the ineptitude , incompetence and corruption while Haliburton, Blackwater and others have gotten no bid contracts to enrich themselves at the expense of our troops, Iraqis and the world. Not just my opinion. Examples can go on and on. Each day a new troubling revelation regarding the current administration and guess what? They don't care. They keep pushing ahead with their bizarre agenda. A recession is on the horizon in the minds of many economists today. No absurd political views here. Read a paper.

So your thrilled with the current administration and where they have taken America and the world?

I don't like the longterm future of AgriFuels. As a stopgap for our fuel needs maybe, and it could be profitable in the short term due to media frenzy and sheeple along for the ride, but, long term we are going to need another solution. So if SWVC is looking at (probably) GS AgriFuels I don't get that excited.

On the other hand, What is keeping this stock down? Do the real numbers indicate it should be higher? I think it should from what I can tell. Is something happening behind the scenes that is just poking holes in our balloon that will keep us from going higher? Or is this the pps that this business can support. I like the business and hope it grows. If nothing shady is happening then it seems on the verge of success if even at just a few sheckles higher. Maybe an occasional divi but not much more. It would be a success considering the score 2 months ago.
Through the roof would be nice but is it realistic with what we know?

So, if they sold everything, how much would the common shareholders get? Just wondering.

Thanks for the pep talk.

You misunderstood my post: National security, Public Schools and Infrastructure is what I would support. Get rid of every other Gov agency. Untenable but I would be for doing just that. It will Never happen.

In defense of public schools, it requires every child to be educated. I'm not saying they are doing a good job, but at least it is better than letting parents opt their kids out entirely. Home schooling is fine.

But, either way, get them kids learned up right .

And who would he be sweeping into Gov with him? No one. It handcuffed Jimmy Carter as well.

"Jimmy was a smart well-meaning man" I would say Independent as opposed to not a team player.

At least we can turn right on red now. Thank you Jimmy.

We would not be in control of Gov. But if it hogtied Gov. that would be fine by me. The less they do the better off we are. So maybe Ron Paul, but just for that reason alone.

I say eliminate all Gov except for infrastructure, Public Schools and National Security. But not tenable. Lets drop them all, lets see what would happen. Chaos would ensue.

You left out a few things in your reply. The alternative to fiat dollars is gold-backed notes issued from the private markets.

45% drop against the euro, thank you George Bush.

I never thought I would see the day that the Canadian dollar would be stronger than the US dollar. Thank you George Bush.

or Diesel @3.25 a gallon which I paid today. Thank you George Bush.

That's why I say maybe to Paul, but he just isn't realistic about his goals and I think we would have total chaos if he were given a free reign.

Remember Jimmy Carter.

I just hope the pounding the repugs are giving Hillary right now is being noticed by the democratic electorate.

Wikipedia entry: Ron Paul

Paul regularly votes against almost all proposals for new government spending, initiatives, or taxes.[23] He has pledged never to raise taxes,[32][161] and states he has never voted to approve an unbalanced budget. He has stated that abolishing the individual income tax, which collects about 42 percent of government revenue, would be possible without any additional source of federal income by cutting spending to the 2000 level. He has also stated that we could quickly pay off our foreign debt and return our nation to solvency, if we further reduced spending to the 1992 level.[2][162]

Paul would like to substantially reduce the government's role in individual lives and in the functions of foreign and domestic states; he says Republicans have lost their commitment to limited government and have become the party of big government.[163] Paul supports elimination of most federal government agencies, such as the Internal Revenue Service,[2] the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Emergency Management Administration, and the Interstate Commerce Commission,,[3] calling them unnecessary bureaucracies.

Paul opposes inflation, viewing it as an underhanded form of "taxation" due to the fact that it takes value away from the money that individuals hold without having to directly tax them. He said in one presidential debate that "a dollar today is worth 4 cents compared to a dollar in 1913 when the Federal Reserve got in." He argues that hard money, such as backed by gold or silver, are superior to fiat money, but says he does not advocate going back to the gold standard.[164] Rather, he wishes to legalize gold and silver as legal tender, as called for in the Constitution, so that gold-backed notes issued from the private markets can compete with fiat Federal Reserve notes; this, he believes, will help restrain inflation as well as limit government spending and the expansion of government (since government would be deprived of the income derived from inflation).[165] He advocates gradual elimination of the Federal Reserve central bank for a few reasons, arguing that economic volatility is decreased when the free market determines interest rates and money supply,[166] and that the Federal Reserve allows government to grow unchecked, and involve itself in areas he believes it should not be involved in, by inflating the money supply when funds are needed to accomodate government spending.


Everything in here is untenable.

I should probably leave this last bit out but,

"Paul calls himself "an unshakable foe of abortion",[4][83] and believes regulation of medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is "best handled at the state level.'

So Medical decisions require Government intervention. Not very libertarian.
Less Government, unless it suits his personal point of view and agenda.

Go to his website. look at his positions. They are there for all to see. Some are just not tenable and he should know that. Therefore, Whackadoodle.

I didn't see the debate but I think if he can get the nomination that he is electable and even more electable than Hillary. Hillary is really more of the same and will keep America heading down the path of self destruction. I'll agree with some of her policies but the only real conviction she holds is, do and say anything to get elected.

I believe there is a real chance she could lose the general election and I hope she will if she is the nominee. I just hope the nominee for the repubs isn't as vile as the current admin, Mitt Romney and most of the other top tier nominees. Gulliany (sp) won't beat Hillary. Huckabee maybe (but probably not) then we'll have our own little theocratic preacher in the White house. Ron Paul is nuts as are some of his policies. I could vote for Stephen Colbert if he gets the republican nomination. or democrat nomination. Maybe Mccain, although he has sold out at the wrong time everytime on his principals. and he's nuts. so I don't know.

I know I won't vote for Hillary though. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Like British support for American heading into Iraq. Or should I say George's lap dog Tony Blair. I've got to say how that absolutely surprised me. Lock step with George.

Until I see differently I like Obama.

I'm not saying it is, I don't agree with a lot of policy toward Israel but, I wouldn't cry if they did bomb a nuclear plant in Syria or Iran ala Iraq. Of course they would know that we wouldn't and couldn't be they're first line of defense if they did do that. Don't really think they would expect it either.

Also, An Arab can get elected to the kenesset in Israel (sp) where you won't see many Jews being elected to positions in an Arab country.

Something to be said for democracy, don't you think?

I think the tinfoil in your hat is wearing thin.

The recession will be after GB is done Destroying and pillaging America with its blood for its treasure. Maybe even before he leaves office. I'm just surprised it hasn't happened yet.

That really should be illegal. It might be. But the people who have the chance to review and alter this nonsense will have to do it long after the criminals have gone and the damage has been done.

Fox News Oxy Moron and I'm not talking about Limbaugh

Fox!!! They choose to debate on a real news channel.

Yep, too late to just end the war. Although that might be the only way out at this point. The current crop of politicians are too wobbolly (sp) to have any convictions to do anything about it though. We are only creating more damage daily to America, Iraq and the world. There is no plan in place resolve this manufactured out of whole cloth conflict.

Besides if we leave now, we could always bomb them if they get out of hand if we need to. We have enough infrastructure there to keep an eye on things.

The miscreants who started the (Iraq war) lost it when they started it. But they have no plan for success and never did. Fantasy delusions ruled their thinking. Nuclear proliferation in Iraq!!!! Flowers and candy. Sprouting democracy from intense gratitude of our invasion of their soveriegn (sp) country. Mission Accomplished. Those jerks really thought it was over. Selling 9/11 as a battle cry to keep on message. Instead of looking after Americans interests they chose to scare Americans into keeping themselves in power. It worked, but at what cost? They don't care. They got theirs. Plus the fantasy thinking keeps them above the fray. I don't know what kind of bubble They have to live in to think they've done the right thing, even with all of the evidence to the contrary. Well the Iraq war didn't work so maybe we need to invade Iran to balance the books and make everything better. Dick Cheney's life would be complete. Well, maybe not. I think he would want to bomb N. Korea just for good measure. Then he could check out knowing his work in the world is done.

Anyone with an IQ could have seen the cluster f that was about to happen if they only read a few newspapers here and abroad. And was marginally familiar with history. That did rule out the current administration, though.

I was against the war for these reasons before we went. I knew GB would screw it up, but even more importantly we didn't belong there. Not like this and not for the reasons we were told we were going. I knew it was fabrication but I knew the sheeple would follow. Including the cowards in congress who authorized this action instead of voting their conscience assuming they have one.

I love all the convenient selling of "we didn't authorize war against Iraq, just the power to use it if we needed to" nonsense we are hearing from the democrats.

We had a real opportunity to change the world for the better by doing the job in Afghanistan first before attempting some sort of vendetta against a non 9/11 participant.

But in the end I know I'm doing my part. I went shopping just like the President asked me to.

"THE most deluded people in this discussion are the partisan Democrats who don't realize that 100% of their leadership is 100% behind the war and was from the getgo."

Not true. Russ Fiengold, Barak Obama hopefully a few more. I'll agree though, most of the lilly livered Democrats voted for the war authorization in fear of the voting publics sentiment instead of taking a principled stand. Throw them all out and lets find a some real uncorruptible leaders. Yeah, right.

Not true. Our policies are based upon it being the only Democratically elected government in the Middle east. Well, I guess you can call Iran a Democratically elected gov sort of.

Also ask someone who still supports the Iraq boondoogle and see if they don't fear the Islamics corrupting our Holy Christian Nation. Of course our nation wasn't built on such nonsense but a bunch of people today think so.

You people are nuts...amp up your meds.

BTW not a Hillary fan. I will not vote for her. I will even consider someone on the republican side if she gets the nomination. Not too many of them would get my vote either, Though. Maybe Ron Paul, but he is a WHACKADOODLE and so are quite a few of his policy suggestions.

What Illegal stuff are you talking about? Lying about a BJ? I can think of a few more horrible things the current admin has done, has been proven it has done, and somehow it just doesn't seem relevant. Talk about flaunting the law. Don't worry about this scandal. They create so many there is no way a sane person can keep up with them. Besides the news cycle will move on to our next colossal f-up and that old one will look tame and be relegated to history. Prison does seem to good for these so called people. This Administration has employed some of the worst people in human history, and tarnished many careers of people who were considered some the most honorable public servants in history. Colon Powell, Condi Rice, Richard Carmona, (other Generals)and any number of other people who threw their lot in with these windshield cowboys in the service of the ineptitude of the Bush/Cheney cartel.

Or as I like to call them, 5 deferment Dick and AWOL George.

<Bin Laden October 29, 2004

"But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon">

Hilarious!!! Like Bin Laden really thinks of the Palestinians or Lebanese as "Their People". Just a straw man for the Islamofacists. The Palestinians are hated by other Arab Countries. Let's look at what Jordan (or Syria even) did and does to Palestinian refugees after they moved there after Israel became a country.

They are merely an excuse to cover for their own twisted and bad behavior. Oh, the poor Palestinians!!!! Our people need redress in the form of sharia law for the world. This is the only salvation.

11/08 4:45 p.m.

somebody set us up the bomb.

it's an emergency (911) order from their master (666) to bring us into the dominion of swvc. we'll all be bound when we reap our unholy profits at .50

"Legalese translated--the Series C Convertible Stock can be converted to 274M shares of common stock on October 1 or at any time thereafter."

but that would always be at the .025 price. Correct?