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Hi Gem, a simple is yes, I do – the potential implications of any Andrews/FDA study are too big to ignore...
We know stem cells work in theory and we know that SVFCs method produces more of them; the INDs is around combining both of these facts to prove that treatment with cells prepared in the SVFC manner dramatically increase recovery/repair in the body (when compared to other extraction methods). This pre-IND with Andrews is about proving the safety and efficacy of the SVFC extraction method and if we can get them classed as minimally manipulated then so much the better.
I believe that the definitions given in the FDA guidance leaflet from December 2014 could be challenged – they talk about manipulating adipose tissues and cells – why worry about changing the adipose cells when you’re going to dump them anyway, much better that the regulations confirm that any cells to be reintroduced to the body are minimally manipulated. This slight change makes a MASSIVE difference to the SVFC process and allows this extraction method to be used to generate income from other research bodies. If the ultrasound container adds to the argument and helps gain the support of the FDA, again a small price to pay. This isn't a big deal for me but it does show progression and a willingness to work with the FDA.
If we don’t get minimal manipulation confirmed, it’s no big deal, just means the studies will take longer but once the first study proves safety etc, the number of INDs that can start are unlimited and we already know about gum recession, cardiac, diabetes, neurology/stroke/ALS and the list goes on. Don’t lose sight of the impact that an IND on ALS could generate, there is NO known cure for this condition and here we have a treatment which slows down the progression of the illness – how much interest could that generate in terms of lobbying to rush trials through, who knows, maybe even on Capitol Hill.
I haven’t forgotten the international option, SVFC already has some international patents and could be exploiting them more but things seems to be hanging on the decisions of the European patent application and having read the revised submissions, I think there’s a strong case for the patent to be granted which changes things again and opens up the European market.
I think we have a ‘perfect storm’ combination here, a number of BIG decisions are coming and could happen in a short space of time which will have a monumental impact on the technology, funding, IND proliferation etc and ultimately shareholder value etc.
Each decision on it’s own could impact SVFC but the combination could create a mega tsunami rather than a number of ripples in a pond if you get my meaning.
Yes, some of this is speculation, perhaps wishful thinking but this is too important to write off as a scam as there’s too much evidence to the contrary.
Hello and bonjour from the European branch of the Steven Victor Fan Club; It’s Friday and by the time you guys read this I’ll be winding down to the weekend…
I get why everyone is so fed up with the Doc and what’s he been doing and yes, I am too but let’s not forget that he has a lot to lose – he’s holding 574 M common shares as well as his preferred shares so he has lot to lose as well. OK so he’s not bought them with his own ‘hard earned’ cash but nevertheless, he stands to lose as well…
Like many of you, I believe that there’s too much happening to say this is all a scam and write it off, simply that we’re in a holding pattern waiting for the results of Andrews’ study with input from the FDA as well of course. Funding is there but they want to see what the FDA will say because the whole minimal manipulation question and potential amendment to any IND would be a major issue in proliferating this stem cell extraction method – if I was a big investor I wouldn’t part with a cent until I get some clarity about these things as it has a big impact on my investment.
The other thing of course, at the moment the investors are holding the aces but if the Andrews/FDA study is in SVFCs favour, the balance of power shifts, so the deal might have already been done with the numbers agreed and everything waiting for an announcement, potentially late March more likely April or May; we also have another annual report to be issued at some point and it wouldn’t surprise me if the timing of these events coincides.
The big investors don’t need to actually own large amounts of common shares, with control of the preferred shares, they would already have that – remember a float of approximately 10M O/S still leaves the remaining 240M of the A/S unissued and not in circulation, but still under the control of the holders of the preferred shares. Again speculation, but we believe that a large portion of the O/S is locked up and may be held by large institutional investors who see the value of what is in front of them and may be persuaded to part with them as part of a buy-back operation so they might never hit the street.
Part of any deal should be replacing the Doc with someone else – at the moment he’s still the CEO and will remain so until things change but the transfer of power is easy to do: he resigns as CEO (gets a nice payoff) and the BOD nominate someone else and hey presto, new CEO who can take SVFC forward to the big league. I’m not getting hung up on anything that is being said by anyone and posted on iHub – what is important is what is released from the company when news is available and what continues to be released as we move forward. Even if he stays as CEO it’s no big deal as long as he listens to the so-called ‘experts’ on the BOD, I’m, not bothered who has the title of CEO as long the right decisions are made and the share price flies and I become a millionaire - or at least have enough for a beer or two...
He’s quiet about SVFC at the moment because there’s nothing to tell so naturally he’s talking about Regen as that’s all he can talk about. I think the rocket’s on the Launchpad fully fuelled, the crew are on board and we’re sat with a countdown hold waiting for some key findings and then we’re ready for lift off TO DA MOON…
Have a great day and an even better weekend…
Per Ardua Ad Astra….
Greetings from across the pond in sunny Switzerland…
Still in this holding pattern with everyone waiting to see what happens with the Annual return / Andrews study news / YA Global / Patent / Investment options / Change in leadership and all of the other stuff going on.
I can accept that there’s nothing to communicate to shareholders and so they don’t bother but this better change moving forward.
I believe there’s a lot of shares locked up so the float isn’t as much as what people believe it might be. Interested to see how much additional dilution there has been since the last report showed 7.8Bn; I don’t think it will be that much but that’s speculation on my part.
I personally think that when things happen, they will happen at the same time and there will be a number of things all coming at the same time to drive price up and we will see some spectacular movements (share price and perhaps bowel movements too).
The other concern is that a lot of people are down a lot of money and at the first sniff of an increase they will to recoup their losses which will involve selling off before the share price reaches its maximum – perhaps then we’ll get other investors on board who see the further potential and this will add further momentum.
Personally I can’t see a R/S on the horizon at the moment because there’s simply too much to lose for current shareholders – not saying it won’t happen but it’s a last resort if everything else fails and I don’t think we’re anywhere close to that course of action.
Lots of speculation here but I think the next 30 days will be eventful to say the least.
Thoughts???
Perhaps people out there recognize that we're pretty much in a holding pattern waiting for updates on a number of areas: annual return due / YA Global agreement maturity due / patent update / Dawson & Dinosaur input.
I see the potential for a number of critical events happen in a relatively short space of time in March and April, which may well define the future of Intellicell.
Let's also not forget this press release from last year, where an IND was suggested for the use of SVF on ALS patients with Dr Manuel Trujillo:
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/intellicell-biosciences-announces-that-it-will-develop-investigational-clinical-protocol-otcqb-svfc-1891714.htm
This is another potential stream that could be ready to launch in the near future (if it hasn't already). If you look at the presentation from the Marcum Conference last year, it's easy to see that there are other potential INDs waiting in the wings.
The future could be very busy for Intellicell if all of these INDs are initiated in the near future. What will happen to the PPS is anybody's guess but I suggest it wil move UP...
Thoughts?
Happy Monday morning all – the start of February, who knows what great things will happen this month…
So I was thinking over the weekend and got to wondering about the first IND with Andrews for OA knees and I remember reading a post stating that Andrews was working with the FDA on this IND and that the results should be out around March.
This got me thinking about the new FDA ‘guidelines’ which were published in December 2014 stating that any adipose tissue structures must not be altered if they were to be considered as ‘minimally manipulated’. This is bizarre as SVFC does not re-introduce the adipose tissues back into the body, just the SVF cells.
I wonder if Andrews could be using this IND to influence the FDA into amending the wording in this guidance document to reflect that only the products re-introduced to the body would need to be minimally manipulated. If this were the case, it would allow the SVFC preparation method to meet the requirements of ‘minimal manipulation’.
I can’t understand why the FDA has used this terminology as it seems crazy to think that a structure that is going to be deliberately broken down and then thrown away needs to undergo minimal manipulation – I do wonder if there is some lobbying going on behind the scenes by the big pharmas.
Thoughts…
Some good posts today...
For me, the funding will come as a consequence of the patent and INDs as Gem said earlier.
I believe that discussions with investors are probably quite advanced at this point to tie down terms and conditions etc NOW.
Why, because when patents are granted and reports of successful INDs become available, Intellicell has much greater bargaining power and can demand more from an investor.
We know that the process/technology here IS a game changer - greater SVF yields, quicker, cheaper etc and the Andrews IND will prove the efficacy of this treatment solution.
Potential investors will want to get their slice of the pie on their terms before it becomes a bun fight with many more investors trying to get in on the action.
It's more of a 'risk' for them but a much better reward and the longer they wait, the greater chance that someone will beat them...
Morning all, a view from across the pond...
So the latest news is a positive, IND starting with Invigorcell…
Looks like we have two BIG names there – Dr Sandberg from the clinical side and Mr Krivulka who has been Director/CEO of more pharma companies than you can imagine, not a bad partnership: clinical skills and business skills…
The earlier news of the agreement with Hielscher Ultrasonics also points to the fact that the design is well under way (“…Hielscher developed for IntelliCell a unique ultrasonic reactor…” – past tense) and may be undergoing testing or even better, actually be in service.
Like many of you on this board, I personally believe that all of the individual snippets of information point to a much more advanced state of business development than previously seen.
If the results of an IND with Anderson/FDA are positive (and why wouldn’t they be, we know the SVFC technology works), along with details of investments via Dawson James and Dinosaur, March could be a very interesting month for us all – and that’s only 4 weeks away.
Wonder what other releases there might be before then to help support an upward move?
I don’t think uplisting is a big issue, that will happen when it happens, nor do I think an R/S is a big issue – I can’t imagine any big investor wanting to put millions into a company and suffer the drop in market capital that would inevitably happen.
Will the R/S happen at a later date, possibly but only when the company is in a stronger position. Don’t forget there was a lot of BIG buys towards the end of October/November last year and since we haven’t seen many sells of that magnitude since then, I wonder if there are some BIG investment houses holding on to shares until the move upward starts and they won’t want an R/S either.
The other unknown is the state of the O/S - my guess is that it's probably hovering around 10Bn but we don't know how much of that is locked up - a possible small float could make any upwards movement that much quicker.
The re-released report for Q3/2014 (at the beginning of January) also confirmed that Ray Hill IS still a director and has a shareholding; if we put Hill/Andrews/Sandberg/Krivulka into the same pot, we have a pretty powerful combination…
The patent update is quite interesting and sets some strong arguments forward for granting the patent.
Lots of news items which together create a compelling argument to suggest that this is gonna fly sometime soon...
Thoughts or comments?
Everyone remember all of the crap going around before Christmas that Raymond Hill had left Intellicell - the latest filing about the share increase lists him as a Director holding 30M shares...
Look at the publicly available FACTS boys and girls, it's there in writing...
Slowly but surely actions are starting to align which will drive the share price up to what it should be...
Everyone remember all of the crap going around before Christmas that Raymond Hill had left Intellicell - the latest filing about the share increase lists him as a Director holding 30M shares...
Look at the publicly available FACTS boys and girls, it's there in writing...
Slowly but surely actions are starting to align which will drive the share price up to what it should be...
Hi all and a Happy New Year from across the pond in Europe...
We all know that stem cells work from other studies/treatments/ companies etc so the efficacy of stem cells themselves is well known and well researched/documented. What we are more interested in is the use of the SVFC method of isolating and preparing stem cells in order to inject/infuse them back into the same patient without any adverse side effects.
So my question is does the whole IND process have to be followed rigorously or are we simply looking at a study to show that this method delivers high quality stem cells. If so, could the study that Andrews is conducting be a revised version of the IND process?
Given that the FDA are still kind of writing the policies on stem cell therapy, it's not too much of a leap to wonder if Andrews could be working with the FDA to investigate this and give them a better awareness of how their policies can be amended or finalized.
The whole minimal manipulation thing is an easy workaround for me - yes, we are manipulating the adipose structures (which are normally used for protection, support, cushioning etc etc) but SVFC is not interested in the structure of the tissue, it's simply using the adipose structure as a source of stem cells and it's the stem cells themselves that need to be assessed against the minimally manipulated criteria.
Please challenge my thoughts if you want to...
Soon be $20 a share... LMAO
A few hundred years ago, if you sailed too far in any direction it was said that you'd fall off the edge of earth. But people didn't.
Why? Because we all know now that the earth is in fact round as it was then.
There are thousands of other examples where something has been true despite a lack of evidence and that's my point...
A lack of fact or evidence to substantiate something doesn't mean that it isn't true, simply that you can't prove it 100%.
OK, so there may not be any documents to prove that Ray Hill is on the BOD but that doesn't mean that he isn't, just another example of shoddy administration by the Doc and his buddies on the BOD. Whether he is or is not, time will tell...
Happy Holidays to my fellow SVFC longs from the SVFC European Fan Club across the pond...
SVFC TO DA MOON (if it really exists - it may be a hologram and Mr Armstrong might be part of one of the greatest conspiracy theories known to man?)
So the link proves what?
Nothing really as there's no date on it so we don't know when it was published (all we can see is that it's after 2009) AND it talks about using collagenase to wash the cells.
WE DON'T USE COLLAGENASE so it's a different situation.
The only similarity is that it talks of gathering the cells through lipo-aspiration - that's not novel, it's about sticking a needle into your own fat and grabbing a syringe full of the stuff.
TRY DEALING WITH THE FACTS THAT YOU READ AND CHALLENGE WHAT YOU DON'T SEE.....
I'm quite happy for people to post articles on here about stem cell therapies, even if SVFC or the process they use aren't referenced.
Why? Quite simply, any article which increases the visibility and proliferation of stem cell therapies gets my vote because the majority of them will use a process which is different to the SVFC process and which will not yield as many stem cells, as quick and as cheap as the SVFC model does.
Aside from the obvious benefits that people are getting better from a health point of view, at some point in the not too distant future, SVFC will have the international patents and treatment centers which will generate the massive revenues that will keep us happy...
Easy really...
SVFC - To Infinity And Beyond....
BBW, you're absolutely correct, the agreement does weigh heavily in YA's favour and you clearly have a great deal of understanding of the CD agreement.
Whilst your thinking is correct, many of your comments only stipulate the outcomes IF SVFC fail to settle the CDA on time; if this does happen, everything will go to YA, including the paper clips, plants, toilet paper, EVERYTHING.
But that's only an outcome IF YA are not paid off and many of us here strongly believe that is very much in hand and from the latest releases, is likely to happen in the near future, perhaps before the end of the year.
I personally don't doubt your ability to sift through these agreements and let us know what is happening and actually, I'm grateful that we have you here keeping us in line but please let's have some forward thinking statements as well as the excellent comments/facts of what has happened IN THE PAST...
To all you military veterans out there: RESPECT
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
Per Ardua
Greetings from across the pond - thoughts from a crazy Brit...
If the PPS was so low that no-one was selling, YA was unable to sell any shares off and couldn't convert any more (because of the 10% limit).
The cynic inside of me wonders whether this wasn't deliberately engineered by someone to: (a) limit the increase of shares in circulation and (b) allow a new owner/partner/JV etc to pick up huge blocks of shares at ridiculous prices rather than simply drop the price down for the shorts.
This could have been a way of limiting conversion activity to RESTRICT the number of shares in circulation rather than increase the number as many people think. IMO any interested party would much want to LIMIT the dilution as well as buying huge amounts at crazy levels.
Slightly different train of thought which may have merit; either way I'm holding on to my 24M shares for the ride of a lifetime...
SVFC
GM All...
Just wondering, we're current with filings because the Q2 was resubmitted but we must be due for the Q3 report in the next couple of weeks - wonder what that bad boy will say....
OK, so here's my take on this whole affair based on lots of looking at posts, DD and a host of other stuff...
YA are crappin themselves and are desperate to convert as many shares as low as they can to then sell them because they know that additional financing is coming - remember they had to have first refusal themselves.
Once they declined and knew that additional financing would come on board which would probably pay of their loan and cancel their CD, they had to covert quickly to ensure maximum return on their investment - they make more converting at 48% of whatever price and then selling, when compared to the interest that they'd receive when the debt is repaid. Plus they probably don't know when the debt will be repaid and so they want to be in a position to hold as many shares as they can just in case the PPS flies up unexpectedly.
They need to keep selling as they can only convert up to 10% and that only equates to approximately $48k (thanks BBW) so they need to keep converting as quickly as they can to then sell them a get a better ROI. As for all of the other large buys, at the current PPS that's not a lot of dollars to pick up millions of shares.
I'm long and proud of it and am still averaging down because I believe this will blow soon - why would the boys be cleaned up and the Bod sign agreements with know JV /M&A / capital financing specialists.
Get ready for the ride boys and girls, it'll be a rollercoaster when it does go...
I disagree partly with your answer MB25 as we all know that this stock has been manipulated and shorted beyond belief and there may even be evidence to support the strong suspicion that this company has been deliberately and intentionally damaged by criminal activities by certain individuals and organizations.
I do accept that the BOD has made some decisions which may not look to be the best decisions on paper, but they have made them based on the financing deals that were available at the time as a result of the activities which led to the sharp decline in share price - to some extent the BOD were forced into making some of these decisions and we don't know what else was available, we merely speculate
Whether we like it or not, we are where we are and, as you say "something is happening". I personally look at the openness and transparency of the new CFO and BOD as being good because they won't get any big investors looking at them without this cleanup. From the limited communications that we've seen, there's a lot of pieces of the jigsaw falling into place and there must be some kind of cash injection coming through whatever means (JV, Private Equity etc) to finance them and when that happens, we'll see a commensurate rise in PPS and we can all go TO DA MOON or wherever it is we want to go...
Bon weekend folks, mine starts in 3 hours....
I'm holding 3M shares in SVFC and will hold them until the share price is much stronger, hopefully in excess of $1. Thanks for all of the DD that you're doing for others and I agree that the bitching and sniping is only helping to serve the short interest and damage the long interest.
However, this is a public company and has legal obligations for filing reports at certain intervals which are well publicised. Dr Vic signed the NT 10-Q on 15 May and confirmed that it would be filed within 5 days which we all know didn't happen. So my question is what happened in that 5 day period, or was there never any intention to file??? I live in France and am therefore not familiar with SEC regulations but I'm sure that stating a falsehood on a return is in breach of regulations.
The other obligation that the company officer's have is to keep their shareholders up to date and this is clearly not happening - the fact that there is nothing coming out of SVFC tells me that either something big is happening or there are real problems - I'm hoping it's the first option but I would feel better if there was more information forthcoming - the lack of information may also be part of the reason why people are selling rather than holding out for higher prices which is also helping the shorts.
I'm going to stay long but come on guys, give us some information, I believe that it is better for the company in the long run...
So if they didn't file on time, the question is why?
They said on the NT 10Q that there wouldn't be any significant changes in results of operations (Part IV Para 03) so if there's little change, why the late filing?
In my mind there's nothing happened which has affected the Q1/2014 results but there might be something to declare which will have an impact on future performance and that makes me wonder if there's an announcement due regarding patents/joint ventures/ partnerships or something else (who knows maybe an out of court settlement with Ironridge???). The point is it looks like something is happening that the BOD can't discuss at the moment which I totally get...
However, many of you are right, as a 'serious' company, records need to be filed according to the rules but these guys aren't stupid, they didn't file for a reason (just the same as the annual report was held back for the court ruling) and I think that reason will become apparent in the very near future and we may see some good stuff coming our way.
I'm a stiff-assed Brit so I don't do theatrics but to quote a number of you: "SVFC to da moon..."
OK , couldn't remember seeing it....
Canitocano - Switzerland...
Can't remember whether I read any mention of YA in the report yesterday - did anyone see them mentioned? If not, do we know whether the deal was actually signed or is this still another mass speculation?
Excellent post Shish - you make a lot of sense for accepting the past and looking forward. We can all bleat about what has been happening on an individual point by point basis but I see a bigger picture: the balance sheet is being cleaned up, it's not clean but what does it say when the people that you owe money to are quite happy to take shares (rather than demand foreclosure on the debt).
There are multiple opportunities coming to our attention - the clinics in the US may not be as good as first hoped, but there's Thailand, Australia etc, plus all of the collaborations being made on the sports medicine, cardiac, cosmetic, neurological fronts plus all of the others.
The first outstanding document has been filed, I bet the Q1 report isn't far behind.
I wonder what's driving this - I have a problem understanding why the company would release such an open, honest, and perhaps bleak appraisal of the situation unless something was driving it and I can only think that someone is forcing their hand and I would not be surprised if it was a potential buyer.
Also remember that an investor doesn't want to pay top dollar for their shares so it's in their interest to invest early before the PPS rises as it gives them more bargaining power and ultimately more shares per dollar which equals more profit when it does eventually fly.
If I was on the BOD of Roche/Merck or any of the other big pharmas, I would be feeling uneasy at the potential of the SVFC patented technology (we know it's coming, we just don't know when, but there should be something before the end of 2014) and I would want to secure the rights to this technology once the parent company had cleaned up it's books which is exactly what is happening at the moment.
Yes, I agree the 'doc' may have skeletons in his closet, don't we all but he's also do vey well out of this this when things change; I agree that we need an experienced CEO and CFO who are capable of lifting this company to the big league.
I'm only holding 1.5M shares but I do believe that this is a real paradigm shift in how things are done - stem cell treatment isn't new but the ability to produce more stem cells, quicker and much cheaper is what makes this such an exciting prospect.
I'm in this for the long haul, let's have patience and let the BOD do their magic....
So, the only communication coming from the company is about clinical successes, new collaborations and partnerships and patent applications etc and the share price does what - NOTHING! There's also zip coming out about the IR, YA or anything else about late filings - looks to me like there's a serious comms blackout in place because something BIG is probably happening. Don't agree with all this "SVFC gonna fly" crap but something is in the offing and the PPS is being controlled heavily. Something is not right and it is gonna come out soon because this cannot go on for much longer...
Gempicker makes a really good point here, these press releases don't happen by accident, there's a lot of work gone in to allow this type of communique, not least convincing an eminent cardiovascular surgeon about the potential use of SVFCs technology.
We can only speculate how many other activities are going on that we don't know about which will advance the SVFC cause; if I worked at YA, I'd leave SVFC to carry on and do their stuff, they have the knowledge, technology, contacts etc etc and the drive to bring this in and generate shed loads of money to compensate their investment. I don't believe that venture capitalists want companies to fail or no-one would get involved with them but I do think that they tend to want short-term wins.
From a shareholder's perspective, I'd like a quick win but if waiting a little longer gets me a much better return, I'll hang in and back SVFC. If you don't like the situation/PPSs, sell up and get some return off your investment, even if it is less than you initially invested.
That's investing guys, some you win, some you lose....
Excellent post, thank you for bringing a sense of perspective to these posts, rather than the inane twittering that I've seen over the last couple of weeks!!! Whatever we may think, we'll only find out when there is some form of communique from SVFC. Like everyone else, I hope it's good news...
New to the whole SVFC situation - what is the IR case that I keep hearing about? Thanks...