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Gary, you don't like this guy talking about Ghandi, the pacifist as the writer of the post.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16380188
The terrorists should be punished. Also, we have to know how a branch of our government, notably CIA messed up so much everywhere (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan-Taliban or Bin Ladin who is once an agent of Saudi and CIA operator), Panama, and etc. The list never ends. The public has not been informed. Now we are the one to take care of mess. We are left with pain, anger, and Vengence. We can not isolate completely from the world but we can leave them alone.
We are the greatest fool, you know. USA helped Britain, France, German, Italy, and other nations to rebuild after WWII. Some of them were our enemies. Of course, Japan, too. Also, Korea was one of the benefited ones. Now, they make fun of us at times. Still, the new world is better now. That is my point.
Before bombing them, what is our exit plan? We are going to finish in half so they can come back to us later? I don't think that is not what you want.
I think SI: goldworldnet said it best:
Very basically, we need to take out the parties responsible for the WTC.
Afterwards we need to get the hell out of these tribal disputes and stop giving them money.
It was the US that built up Iraq after the Iranian hostage crisis.
It was the US that built up the Taliban against the USSR.
Too often it would appear that we have been our own worst enemy.
:=) Gary Swancey
I know ... I think we should BOMB hatred and war myself especially those that want US to negotiate with madmen.
:=) Gary Swancey
Radical Islam has never missed an 'opportunity to miss an opportunity,' the mind set is to struggle and to accept concept of pre-destination, ' a Muslim is born with a destiny that will lead him,' now once this is planted in a brain-washed mind this world becomes a kind of small test for greater rewards soon after death, the injunction in Quran that 'last rites of a person who takes is own life should not be performed are overlooked completely, this mind set needs to confronted with certain determination.
I was happy to see that Pakistan military rulers did not fall in the trap of that holy struggle, these are trained officers and they know war is no game, they have seen many and fought many, in my opinion from a general a statement that the interests of economy and well being come first are very un-Islamic statements, for that he has been already declared apostate and a target of assassination by Shaikh Omar Bakri a Syrian cleric based in London. It is times like this a nation has to make right kind of choices, limited that his options were but he made a right decision he did save Pakistan from a major problem. Now that Arab radicals are clearly seen to be the master mind of the whole thing, we will see some consideration action from USA in the right direction, it is the charity in rich Arab countries and fundamentalist Islamic organisations that fan the money behind this whole terror network, poor Pakistanis and Afghanis are hostage of all this, they need to break that chain of mental slavery now.
A wrong decision on 12th by our President in name of farce ‘Islamic solidarity’ would have Pakistan on the hit list, that would have destroyed us completely or may be would have led to fragmentation of the country like the fragmentation of Turkish Caliphate after their decision to back the wrong side in WW1. From Turks to Palestinians to fundamentalist Islamite the capacity to draw long-term beneficial decision just doesn’t exist. The history tells me that, this decision on part of my president was rare in its content and in its flavor.
Iqbal Latif
I was talking about fueling passion of hatred and war..on oil I am not worried..
Iqbal Latif
Ike fueling the world is no problem either. We got plenty of Oil men in Texas that can operate the oil fields.
:=) Gary Swancey
Think a Neutron Bomb would help them understand. I do not care about profiles on each. The common point is they are criminals and regardless need to be elimated for their crimes on humanity.
bin Laden wanted us in this war as did SoDum Insane. That is like a small man say 5 foot and 100 pounds going up to a 6'4 250 pound line backer picking a fight.
Our resolve is going to astounded the terrorist and the governments that support, hide, defend, and protect them.
:=) Gary Swancey
Osama is one man, this is a whole terror organisation supported by multitude of characters from Saddam to many serious Arab characters.
Now disgruntled Saudi nationals implication in NY case clearly indicates that the undercurrents of rebellion against house of Saud can find common chord with Saddam. They both want to destroy the precarious balance of power in the ME, they want to be the ultimate power brokers and power centres.
Now like always in any organisation they have a common cause to get moderate out and once that happens they will decide the fate according to their topsy- turvy vision, now let me make you aware of the internal contradictions here between Osama and Saddam, Osama likes to be the Ameer-ul- Momineen that talks of Islamic Pan Islamism and Saddam heads secular bath party which promotes Arab nationalism, these two goals are diametrically opposite but when it comes to clever exploitation of masses they mix, Saddam donned white robes rode on a white horse to tell the Islamic world that he is the reincarnation of Salahuddin Ayubi after invasion of Kuwait.
Now this guy was great conqueror of Islam but he was Kurd, now Islamic world considered invasion of Kuwait as a invasion of new Mohammedans but in actuality it was a secular forces that invaded Kuwait, beer and whisky was immediately opened from day one, and on top of my office we had a night club opened where beautiful Iraqi singer would perform the mosques were burned and loud speakers of the mosques declared as hindrance and environmentally unsound they decimate too much sound at a wrong time but for the Islamic world he became a hero on the white horse, the fools that we are we accept him, the man who gassed Kurds declared himself the descendent of a great Islamic general, the man who closed and burned mosques became a Islamite only to fight US.
Now, look at this and I take you forward to Osama a very different kind of fundamentalist and purist who wants 1400 old Shariah like Taleban rule to be implemented but Saddam wants a secular state with all the niceties and with that power to control oil and the futures and dynastic visions for his sons form Kirkuk.
Osama has delusions of greatness of him being the holy saviours to extremist representing two extremes join hand initially to declare a war against US. Now this is treacherous Islamic politics of terror, the two extremes who will cut each other throat joining hands to destroy the common enemy first, in my opinion Bush has to strike hard on the criminal organisation of the world and he needs by the way people who think all the time, who know intricacies of al this, not many around to help him that is the reason that he will indulge in periphery not the core the core is to instigate domestic action in cutting the funding of the inbred organization in the rich Arab world.
I am trying my best to help them to understand by writing all this.
Iqbal Latif
About time... Planes ordered to Persian Gulf which include B-1 Bombers.
:=) Gary Swancey
Don't start that "help us" crap. Economic cures is not the part for the USA to bail out the world (especially the terrorist states) ... right now the concern should be economy of the USA not the Islams who have allowed terrorism to grow and hurt us and the world economically. Take some of those billions of dollars the middle east has to feed and educate their own people. Create jobs for their own.
I will not be a part nor want any part of economic benefits for countries that only allow terrorism to fester to the point this has become a world problem and then want to sit back and whine, while others address that which they will not.
I hate liberals with their crock of "help us do something else. If you don't then we have to resort to terrorism till you do."
Be extremely glad I am not the president ... I would acknowledge the Taliban alright along with the cells of terrorism. Plus I would stop the short selling strategy also. I would care less about the world because I would have already struck and not carpet bombing either. Just one bomb in select places.
Now the hands are out for "help me" and "poor me" scenarios while over 5000 innocent USA lives are buried under a mass murder stragety to get the USA involved. Makes me sick to my stomach.
:=) Gary Swancey
Gary and Ike. Thanks for your excellent posts. Our government need to make best effort to get all moderate Arabs' supports to bring down Taliban. I hope Collin Powell can pull it together. I am glad he comes back from the shadow(G).
Also, we have to find a way to help the jobless and hopeless Muslim youths to find something to do instead of wasting their time on streets. However, Arabs have to help themselves due to cultural differences(Christianity vs Islam). If not, it will be another holy war.
Oil rich Arab countries who don't have democratic process will the next targets of the Islamic radicals. I hope they realize that.
I think they will not be able to fight, for one reason the Afghan Jihad as they call it against USSR was won by Stingers otherwise Russian Hinds had wiped them clear. The money was available and so were arms, present day they have no supplies and will have no possibility of this from Pakistan or Iran or from central Asian Republics, they will fall fast. They may control the hinterland for some time but government in Kabul will go. That you will see, their 'holy war' is mine very 'unholy war' against scums of the society.
Iqbal Latif
They are fuelling and they might have some success but that is the only way out, the vast land of geographical mass with idle minds is in present globalise world a key to disaster. I would like that this consistent effort to clean the mess has to start whatever it may take.
Iqbal Latif
<The terrorist want US to invade on Islam soil and the Taliban has the country and those radicals will not give it up easily. Once the US enters Afghanistan the Islam will consider it an act of holy war.>
I think that is what he wants, but I doubt he will achieve that. I think they will be flushed out of power and this hotbed of terrorism will be cleaned. However I am surprised that most of these people come from Egypt, Lebanon, UAE and Saudi who is going to clean them, the selectivity of Kabul alone worries me, Osama has tentacles but it is the other 25,000-50,000 hard cores who have to be apprehended. That would go beyond Kabul, the international network of Terror has its minds in parties like Hamas, Jama ul Islamiya in Egypt and its subsidiaries in the Arab countries. Kabul may be easily done it is the other part that would take a long war, run by intelligence and continuous efforts...
Iqbal Latif
Ike you can say whatever but the call is happening and if the US tries to take out any cell of terrorism a Holy War, whether offical or unofficla will take place.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52802-2001Sep18.html
With a U.S.-led attack appearing increasingly likely, Taliban leaders called on Afghans to prepare for a holy war against the United States, the official Bakhtar News Agency reported today.
"If America attacks our homes, it is necessary for all Muslims, especially for Afghans, to wage a holy war," state-run Voice of Shariat radio reported Mohammed Hasan Akhund, the deputy Taliban leader, as saying. "God is on our side, and if the world's people try to set fire to Afghanistan, God will protect us and help us."
As you can see the Taliban is fueling the Holy War.
:=) Gary Swancey
I am not worried about what the US will do ... I believe Bush and Colin are surgical knifes. My concern is the Holy War. A Holy War, from everything I read including your previous article, has already basically been called and will grow if nothing else through the poor. Your first article basically conveys this.
I have spent the last week reading the history of Islam.
The terrorist want US to invade on Islam soil and the Taliban has the country and those radicals will not give it up easily. Once the US enters Afghanistan the Islam will consider it an act of holy war.
:=) Gary Swancey
I will tell you millions of Afghans will dance on the streets once this yoke of terror is off their necks.
Iqbal Latif
<Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West.>
I agree with all of his points but this one point based on which the theory of Osama invincibility is developed is based on a premise that is completely presumptuous. From day one Pakistan government at least had no problems. I think that without Pakistan on America’s side his deductions would be material but I think he made an erroneous premises about this. Pakistan has not only allowed but the secret war against terrorism has already started the planning in my opinion is in very advanced stage, it is going to be swift and fast, and probably fought out of hinterland of Afghanistan capital. A Kabul lead government will most probably lead this fight around Kandhar and East of Afghanistan if Osama is not handed over very soon, the government in Kabul will be toppled in a time that may surprise many. I don’t think that anyone agrees about killing any poor Afghan; I have been hearing US offering a carrot by helping rebuilding the country and trying to get AFGHANISTAN BACK WITHIN COMITY OF RESPECTABLE NATIONS. They will be protected from this black terror that has cleansed them completely of any recuperative ability. Strongman heads all Muslim nations, mine included. These strong man are the target of Osama, he wants to lead the 1 billon masses he wants to be the ‘Ameer-ul-Momineen’ of the entire Muslim nation, he is already the leader of that under-class that detests progress hates freedom and likes to take us back to the middle ages, I for one in the Islamic world will fight against that to my last drop of blood.
Every conflict has different parameters, road map and resolutions, this is not Pearl harbour nor it is Gulf war nor it is Vietnam, most of the time generalising conflicts and out of context references to history or past yield poor results. I think as a student of history we need to know that in present situation terrorist have taken hostage an entire land these terrorist are few thousands in number the cohorts of Laden and Mullah Omar are future Ladens, they are now available as whole bunch to be arrested and brought to justice, now some hostages may in the process suffer but overall this poverty stricken nation like mine own has to be released from these chains. Without that in my opinion huge mass geographical expanse of lands left to be governed by cave age man will bring about new lows in expression of hatred, what we saw in NY was the result of our total neglect and creation of vacuum, insular instinct and the feeling that we are protected has to be given way to see that evolution of a global thinking even in the extreme societies that they have to respect the basic law ‘innocents should not be made canon fodder of dispute.’ In NY exactly that happened, we need to see that it never happens again, never again. Vacuum anywhere should not be tolerated, an idle mind can become deranged, and world community can’t tolerate this vacuum and safe haven of terrorists. This is one bitter lesson of NY. Kabul will be taken over, a friendly government will be installed and war will be fought from within by the Afghanis, I will tell you millions of Afghans will dance on the streets once this yoke of terror is off their necks. I know the area well, don't listen to these experts, the mines were cleared long ago and their is no invasion planned, this is going to be clandestine operation where surgical operations would cleanse this hornets nest, the war has already quietly started, the planing is well advanced.
Iqbal Latif
Ike, thank you so very much for your thoughts on this
coming war. Many of us westerners are rather ignorant
of the dynamics and complexity of the Islamic
World. Your writings have inspired me to read as
much literature as I can on this subject, and what you
said about Pakistan, Iran has proved to be very accurate.
I also think this war will be hugely successful for the US
and Allied Forces. The Kyber Rifles are lining up against the
Taliban along the border. A famous unit from the
days of the British Army. Many Afghans are lining
up on the side of the US, Northern Alliance.
This monster Bin Laden and his band of assassins
shall soon feel what it's like to be hunted.
I'm getting very bullish on the future of this market.
Regards
Still Fighting on the Home Front
http://www.spintimes.com/vasquez/vasquez1.shtml
SpinTimes Exclusive Commentary
By Robert Vasquez
04/30/2001
Former Senator Bob Kerrey’s recent revelation regarding a mission he led in Viet Nam which resulted in the deaths of supposed civilians is tantamount to picking an old scab. While he may have felt the need to do is, for whatever reason, it has effected the entire generation of soldiers who fought in Viet Nam.
Listen up, America, as a combat disabled veteran myself, I can attest to the fact that it was doubtful that there were any civilians in that conflict. The methods employed by the North Viet Namese, and their Southern counterpart, the Viet Cong, often made it impossible to distinguish between friend and foe. Villagers would sometimes be used as a screen for snipers to fire on U. S. Troops as they passed either on foot patrol, or in vehicle convoy. The Viet Namese knew Americans were prohibited by order and conscience from firing on "unarmed civilians". That was a definite disadvantage to the grunt in the field.
To us, they were all "Chuck, Charlie, Chinks, Gooks, Slopeheads, Slanteyes, or Zipperheads." They were that for a reason; a man finds it difficult to pull the trigger on another man, knowing you are about to snuff out the life of the individual in the cross airs of your sights. Thus, they are dehumanized, the "enemy."
That was why in basic training, as the Drill Instructor asked "What is the purpose of a bayonet?" one was repeatedly trained to thrust their bayoneted rifle into the air, and scream "To KILL!, Drill Sergeant!" That is why the uniform is more than an identifying piece of clothing, but rather a unifying article of training. Everyone has their head shaved, everyone wears the same clothing, everyone eats the same food, sleeps in the same location, manner and with the same type of bed and bedding.
The military’s purpose, when unleashed upon the enemy, is to kill as many as possible, destroy as much materiel (spelled correctly) as possible, and capture as much territory as possible (tactic’s in Viet Nam not withstanding). For someone to step forward twenty or thirty years later and whine that they feel so bad ‘cause this or that happened serves no useful purpose.
No, this writer and soldier does not condone the killing of innocent civilians, but as has been often and by many said, "if you weren’t there, you don’t know." It is convenient for the Bill Clinton sycophants, draft dodger’s and America’s many cowards to now sit back and smugly say "Uh Huh. See I told you, they were all baby killers and murderers. They should take Kerrey and put him on trial, and anyone else that was with him. All those Viet Nam vets are the same way!"
Shakespeare wrote "We sleep soundly in the night, knowing that rough men await to visit violence upon those that would harm us." For the past twenty or thirty years, these same Viet Nam war protesters, the cowards that went to Canada, the Bill Clinton draft dodgers, have sat back and enjoyed life’s bounty because of the men who went and fought in Viet Nam. The legitimacy, purpose, or meaning of the war is not relevant to the soldier, who is trained, and does his duty to God and Country.
Most veterans, like Bob Kerrey, have readjusted to life in America, serving our communities, making a living, establishing careers in all the professions, the arts, movies, books and the trades. Veterans often have a difficult time after returning from an armed conflict, be it W.W.I, W.W.II, Korea, Viet Nam, or more recently Desert Storm. While I disagree with Bob Kerrey’s politics, and certainly could attack his comments on some veterans issues, I stand in support of him as a comrade in arms.
Unless you were in the field, receiving sniper fire from a "civilian village," or witnessed any of the horrific acts committed by "civilians" against our troops, how can you make a judgment of Bob Kerrey, or any of the Viet Nam veterans. Hollywood has given America its stereotype of the Viet Nam veteran, but it is no more accurate than that of the screenwriter’s fantasy and imagination.
You’ve gotten off your chest now, Bob, but maybe they’ll let you keep the Bronze Star anyway. Allons!
Robert Vasquez is a Viet Nam combat veteran, political activist, and a radio and talkshow host in Boise, Idaho. A conservative who pulls no punches, Mr. Vasquez seeks the facts on the right and the left of an issue.
:=) Gary Swancey
Inho you should be just as aware that before reform a war has to be won. As long as terrorist are in control there can be no change. SO why would bin Laden want a war with the world. Becasue he believes we are weak and he can win. Certain things about war that our military I hope is is very cognizant of and have train our troops in might be some of the weaknesses that bin Laden is relying on.
Culture: I was trained to be culturally oriented so that I did not end up being my own worst enemy because of cultural ignorance. I would bet you’re the military is definitely exposing the troops to the Islam culture. Same as they did in the Gulf war. My brother was in the Gulf war and he was firmly told not to insult or mistreat Arabs, they would become warriors or support the opposing forces. You can never underestimate the affect of religion on the conflict.
Who are the Terrorists: Also like in Vietnam and Korea, I believe in calling a Holy War, the US has even more a complicated scenario because there will be no way to some how of sort out active warriors from civilians. The Holy War warriors will not be in fancy uniforms and organized units same as in Vietnam. In Vietnam searching the pockets and believe it or not but sniffing for the smell of gunpowder and gun oil was crude but effective sometimes.
Resourcefulness of the Terrorist: In this war I expect the Holy War warriors to exploited the use of cell phones, Motorola radios, improvised TV stations, lightweight video cameras and the Internet to obtain vital war information. Also snipers, booby-traps and ambushes, not to mention hand-to-hand, will play a big part of this Holy War. These Holy Warrior have trained all their lives for this war where our military is soft fraught with liberal attitudes that the meek will inherit the earth concept..
Training/Experience in Warfare: You should also remember that the USA trained the Taliban in warfare against the Russians and pointed out their weakness which the Islam exploited very efficiently such as perimeter defenses, security, distances between units. poor shots, and other tactical weak points.
physical and Mental Condition:Question is if the US military who has not lived training daily for a Holy War have the physical and mental condition of the Islam warriors. They live on the ground and in caves and live off the land. They are far from being spoiled. That is another edge the Bin Laden has considered also. He has studied the weaknesses of our society and our war tactics from previous wars. Heck we taught them our tactics from Vietnam and other wars not to mention the history of wars the Islam’s have fought and learned from with lives lost.
Warfare Attitude: Americans better not be surprised by the ferocity and brutality of the Islams either. Our military fighting men better understand that the Islam strength is strong combined mobile arms teams with flexible commands and control.
Bottom line this will be a war like no other … A Holy War. (Terrorism with no rules vs the world). IMHO
:=) Gary Swancey
Yes the landmines are quite real ... AFGHANISTAN IS AN ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS PLACE. THE 1979 SOVIET INVASION, FACTIONAL FIGHTING IN THE EARLY 1990'S, AND THE CURRENT WAR BETWEEN THE TALEBAN AND ITS OPPOSITION HAVE LEFT AN ESTIMATED 10-MILLION MINES PLANTED NEXT TO ROADS, IN THE MOUNTAINS, IN FIELDS AND RIVERBANKS, AND EVEN INSIDE PEOPLE'S HOMES.
Land-mines are catastrophic for children, whose small bodies are particularly vulnerable to the injuries they inflict. One of the mosts heavily mined countries in the world is Afghanistan. The Soviet Union garnered infamy in Afghanistan with its terror technique of littering the countryside with small anti-personnel mines that looked like toy airplanes and were thus a deadly favorite of curious young children.
GRRRRRRRRRRR
Another appauling thing of the Clinton admin was he refused to add the United States to the list of 125 nations signing a treaty to ban anti-personnel land mines in 1997. Of cousr Inho you porbably know the ostensible Clinton excuse to balk at signing the treaty was the protection of 35,000 U.S. troops near Korea's Demilitarized Zone. The first line of defense against a massive attack from the north is a sea of anti-tank mines. But if I remember correctly the treaty banned only anti-personnel mines. Of course anti-personnel mines protect the anti-tank mines from tampering by North Korean soldiers.
This could be a lot worse than Viet Nam just depends on how the plan of war is drawn up. I believe the war department and troops will be fully aware of the mines. Dangerous variable in this offensive. I am sure Bin Laden has this figured in also as does the Taliban.
Do they have the guts to be executed you mean. As long as dictatorships rule and execute anyone who dares to invoke change or bring forth critical reasoning, evolution will never happen. Everyone knows that so when the US goes in I hope the air support burns the poppy fields as they clear a way for the ground troops.
:=) Gary Swancey
Horrible story. I don't like this pessimistic view but you have to look at it as veteran. Do you think if the story is true, it can be worse than Vietnam?
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16375525
As you said about civil war, it is the best way to send our moderate Muslim clerics up there and instigate another evolution not revolution. However, do they have a gut to do it? If they do, still we can call them moderate, can't we?
Well then they need to look at the American and civil war. End slavery and elect solid democracy and above all nail the terrorists in each of those countries.
:=) Gary Swancey
Gary, you are right. I don't mean we help Iraq financially but our government can initiate to lead with Saudi, Quwait, and other oil rich countries. Who know maybe Iran too if they become moderate enough?
What I mean is Muslim countiries like Afganistan, Uzbek, etc without much resources? Even Egypt needs help to reform their political and educational system as well as how to reorganize their religion? I am very sad to look at Egypt that one of the oldest culture in the world is not one of the best to live right now and still struggles domestically. The youngest one, America has the most wealth and freedom to enjoy. It is really ironic in the view of the historical wealth.
Saudi, Quwait, and other oil rich countries themselves need reform before all extremities overthrow them like what happened in old Iran under Shah. Tere are so many problems in the Middle East. I don't know where to start.
Wait a minute... This is about knocking out terrorism in the world wherever it maybe not the US rebuilding the world. Middle East has plenty of money to do its own reform.
:=) Gary Swancey
Airlines in a deep trouble if low boarding rate contines like this said. They need a resque plan until passengers come back.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16373344
My wife told me this morning one of her friends said her friend's husband was asked to stay home instead of coming to work at a hotel due to no guests. If it continues, it becomes very serious economically.
This is the same view like yours to change society fundamentally. Also, he mentioned one brave soul to try it.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16372634
I agreed 100% with you. You made a good point that I posted my thought before here. I wanted our people's opinions about what we are going to do after the war against terrorists. Without a proper plan (moderate Muslim governments, new religious leadership, and new education system plus economic plan) as you said, there will be another breeding ground of hatred and young suicidal volunteers due to our bombing and it's consequence, collateral damage.
Extremists, I assume, have a game plan to show the world the killed and wounded children, women, and other civilians on TV. you know somebody says French likes to poke American eyes and English likes to teach us a historical lesson. Their left wing media loves to broadcast as well as all Muslim media is eager to do the same thing. In that case, we are going to deal with more suicide volunteers. I hope our government leaders know that. It take a long term plan not just for Afghanistan but for all other Muslim countries in some way.
Per history, there are so many cases to revenge the next generation for previous conflict whether it is right or not. Saddam's revenge to Bush Jr for Bush Sr.
Oh I truly believe that Suddam is behind this without a doubt. I also expect the ploy of trying to give up something so that any invasion will be consider wrongful. No negotiating no anything. The war is not just for Laden or Suddam but the networks and their would be seconds that will rise once the leaders are taken out.
Bush is not going to just take what is given, he is going for the networks.
After this network is resoved then you are right build the economies and anything other than dictatorship be implemented. Rights for Islam women especially. That would curve a lot of the testostrone crock that reigns in the middle east.
:=) Gary Swancey
Iraqi connection being established. The news just reported that the supposed cell leader of the suicide group met with Iraqi intelligence. If proved that Iraq helped this will add another definate target for the new coalition against terrorism. When Bush was chosen president I feared some rerpisals might happen since his father had not finished the job with Iraq. I put those fears in away expecting our intelligence is in control of handling Iraq. These so called rulers are just thugs and the world must eliminate them for long term peace.
I would also like to see the islamic states take a leading role in establising a new government complete with a Marshall Plan like post WWII in europe for afganistan and iraq. Schools need to be established for the young teaching the correct positive readings of Islamic religion and culture instead of the hatefullness. The future must give hope to the populations that have none.
john
It they halt "short selling" then they would have to cover.
:=) Gary Swancey
Yep that is great but two years from now is not when we will need that resolved. It needs to be dealt with right now. Can you imagine what would happen if the SEC but a halt on "Short Selling?'
:=) Gary Swancey
OH I AGREE! Great points Inho. The only way I know is for the voice of the free world to send emails to the agancies and ask why the obvious scenarioes are not being handled.
I would be willing to bet that the terrorist did not expect the lazy FAA to shut down flights eithers. SEC won't stop selling what they do not own until it gets to a point that it is absurd.
Last night I was glad to see that some were putting blame where blame is due. CLINTON! Crippled out intelligence, weaken our military and took out the NSA by exporting encyption devices to Syria. And that is not even close to what he did.
:=) Gary Swancey
Yep, it explains everything. Bin Ladin's family are a part of of Taliban boss's family. Then, I have a question for CIA or Collin Powell.
I assume they knew already. Is it a political gesture or diplomacy for them(Bush administration) to ask Afganistans(Taliban) to hand Bin over to US or International body? Or are they crazy enough for average Afghanistans to stand up and take him out? If anybody knows, North Koreans had riots and also it's military tried to take their leader, Kim but all failed. Consequently, thousands were killed and all relatives killed or sent to labor camps like happened in Iraq.
I want to hear orther people's opinion.
Learning more about Islam everyday, I read Human Rights in Islam on Islam101 site. Also, they expressed the attack is against quran on "America and American Muslims under Attack."
It is interesting to read. Also, good learning experience.
http://www.islam101.com/
http://www.islam101.com/rights/sept11USA.htm
http://www.islam101.com/rights/hr_tocM.htm
After that crusade thing I think it was warranted, by the way the latest is a meeting of Islamic scholars from across Afghanistan to decide whether to extradite Osama bin Laden, wanted "dead or alive" by the United States, has been postponed, said a report Tuesday.
Iqbal Latif
Osama many may not know is married to the daughter of Mulla Omar, the reclusive leader of Afghanistan. It is all a family of criminals.
Go ahead, on manipulative side if terrorist did pre-planned shorts that will be known and SEC can act, but on investment side without short sales there will be no covering, the extremes of the market and ability of the market to build in far more pessimism than it is required is the basis of long term stability of the markets, take that out and one becomes a part in making of a bubble.
Iqbal Latif
Airline seeks $24 Billion Government Aid.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/headlines/financial/20010917/362112.html
One person's view about the situation
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16370344
Bart operators got 22% pay raise for 4 years, who need only high school diploma and many people are accusing them of doing nothing for pay except for reading magazines and playing games bceause of full automation. All central computers control driving/operating BART carts(Bay Area Rapid Transit system like New York subway). There are much pay difference between computer fields and other fields. Consequently it impacts on real estate here.
Also, I don't agree only to blame on union or employees. CEOs are too much well paid regardless of their performance. If Steve Jobs or CEO of Computer Associate can have billion dollar compensation who only have one wife and two children(?), why not employees who have thousands to share profit or even loss(G)? CEO are not the ones who create jobs, all together do it. If you look around how much money other people make, you can be jealous and demand too much pay raise. Chicken first or egg first story.
The best time to buy.
Ike if history repeats itself, today's first hour is the best time to buy, isn't it? The first hour of the next day after the Black Monday in 1987 gave the best opportunity to buy at best prices.
Mr. Buffet bought the stocks he wanted for sometime but not due to the overvalued per him.
Also, it repeated in 1987 when Asian,Latin, and Russian crisis dominated. Also, last April's bottom? This time under the shadow of the war on terrorists, can it be different in short to mid term, 6-8 months?
I bet 100% on that you are busy on the game plan for today's first hour and will buy stocks or futures accordingly? Also, it was a very good move to buy and sell your futures yesterday.
I used last ammunition to buy some last April bottom and still holding them(G). I am not a good investor, who should have diciplines. All the time I think the best investors or traders have good traits for disciplines and game plans whether educated or not. But never train myself into it(G).
The best time to buy.
Ike if history repeats itself, today's first hour is the best time to buy. The first hour of the next day after the Black Monday in 1987 gave the best opportunity to buy at best prices.
Mr. Buffet bought the stocks he wanted for sometime but not due to the overvalued per him.
Also, it repeated in 1987 when Asian,Latin, and Russian crisis dominated. Also, last April's bottom? This time under the shadow of the war on terrorists, can it be different in short to mid term, 6-8 months?
I bet 100% on that you are busy on the game plan for today's first hour and will buy stocks or futures accordingly? Also, it was a very good move to buy and sell your futures yesterday.
Investigating on suspicious trading actions by authorities-USA, Japan, Hongkong, and Germany
Unusaully much higher volume of puts or futures than usual.
I hope they get out the bottom of it.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16370831
After so many reading, this guy, freeus thinks we should get out other poeple's(countries)business, including Israel. One time Zionists fought, actually terrorizing Palestines the same way Palestines are doing to Israelis now when Palestines rounded them up and placed in camps long time before Israel. comes around and goes around.
I should paste Pat Buchanun's article. I am not her or her brother's fan but her opinion is almost same as this guy. Also, I agee with that somewhat. The artilce was posted days ago. I couldn't find it.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16368441
I hoped to get access to the full article instead of summary for secret foreign account:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/Search/document.asp?i=20010701FAESSAY4993.XML
p.s. from teckboy @G&K
Ike, this a very good article about Taliban written by Ahmed Rashid in Foreign Affairs. Is he your friend Rashid or just the same last name?
Taliban is not a simple band who protects Bin Laden and other terrorists but a big and troubling source to destabilize the whole region and further destabilize the whole Muslim world such as Egypt, Saudi, Algeria, etc. by supporting and exporting extreme Islamic militants (or terrorists) and religous views.
Taliban has influence on immediately surrounding countries and far away ones too: Chechnya, China, Kashimr, Pakistan, India (through Kashmir), Iran, Uzbek, to Saudi, Algeria, now to USA. Also, to fund their activities, they (including Bin Laden) export opium for all surrounding countries, which we Americans consume,I guess, and indirectly support terrorist's acts.
For one sad thing, this group, Taliban is a step-child from parts of the remnants of the Cold War Era-Soviet and USA conflicts. And it is a misguided result of shortsights of CIA, Saudi, and Pakistan Inteligence and political parties.
This article is one of the best I have read:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/Search/document_briefings.asp?i=19991101faessay1017.xml&nb=0
p.s: Thank tekboy a G&K for the article.
After read this article, it is a joke to me for many writers, professionals or amateurs who expressed their opinions that if Talibans hand over Bin Laden and his groups to us or US wipes out only Bin Laden and his groups, everything will be OK or satisfied. Because we do not root out the main source, Taliban. I hope our government knows that. We need to change the whole regime, Taliban with the ones with sane minds.
The following article shows one of those shortsights and plus a dangerous thought excluding Pakistan if they don't cooperate and further deteriorate us-relationships with Muslim world. Sad:
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16370683
I really did not expect Bush visited Mosque and payed deep concerns about Muslims and broiling hatred domestically. Domestic violence to Muslims and people who look like them will be a very good excuse for the terrorists who did horrendous acts to us. They will use it as their political campaign to promote America as anti-Islam and anti-Arabs.
If he can win hearts of moderate Muslims and liberals by showing them what he is saying is what he means by his actions, he can really change political scene in Middle East in the future. Here is the news:
http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=010917&cat=politics&st=politicsattackbush...
Can I add my two cents? These terrorists could organize a large scale of terrorist campaigns to American vital center financially or military wise? I read WTC handle 1/3 of total transactions of bonds, etc. I am not sure of how much percentage of stock transactions long or short.
I believe terrorist networks who cooperate these attacks with intelligence and/or money would know what happen. They would short or buy put at large scale if not here. Then in Europe. SEC and other European countries should investigate in a grand scale.
For an another matter, no more secret foreign bank account. No more tax haven from Bahamas to Switzerland to independent small island countries where all crooks, drug dealers, tax cheaters, and terrorists hide all their money. I think cutting off financial sources is more important than to keep all secret finacial sources of intelligent organizations of all countries in offshore banks. Last part of my two cents is nothing to do with SEC.
Overall I like your proposal that there should be some circuit breaker for short-selling too.
Ike here is a letter I intend to send to the SEC ... Thoughts?
To the USA Security And Exchange Commission
I would like to ask the SEC one question.
How low will shorting be allowed to take the USA Stock Market, ZERO before the SEC finally sees they need to do something?
The terrorists are accomplishing their primary objective, to hurt the USA economy. No matter what happens in the future, shorting has been the catalyst for the most manipulated scenario in our stock market history to tank our economy and steal money from US citizens. The market is the shape it is in because anyone that does not live in the USA shorting everything they can. Bashers and short selling are out of control. There is no check or balance by the SEC to regulate short selling nor even have a fair shot at supply and demand for citizens of the USA to even dare attempt to support the stock market, our economy, our country. Of course the blame is placed on nervous investors.
The USA citizens are ready to buy, but no matter what we buy the price will decline. Not because of real people selling or supply & demand, but because of unrelenting short selling from greedy MMs and offshore, anti-US interests. Americans put up money to make solid investments in a hope to make money and there is always some unregulated offshore or Market Maker shorting everything that is bought. Our stock market is in horrible shape, shorting will continue to destroy our market and thus our economy and finally us as a country. They hit us in the financial heart of our economy with the murderous act at the WTC and arrogantly know the USA will let them short to finance more efforts to undermine our democracy.
Is it a coincidence that the first strike in this horrible murderous act just happens to target the firm responsible for ¼ of all the bond trading worldwide? And by the way nearly wiped it out.
Terrorist networks are widespread and extremely well backed. Can’t you see where if they would go to the long term planning of crippling our market and thus our economy they would have a plan to finish the job?
They hate us for being the richest nation the world has ever known. They intend to remedy that by destroying our wealth. How long will you continue to allow them to steal from the American people? How long?
:=) Gary Swancey
I think lip service is one thing as man of these countries are playing for the masses but Oil is one commodity that is dependent on good will of house of Saud and Al-Sabah, Iran plays a role too, and Iran is with US for reasons of geo-politics and geo-Islam. This is an ideological schism between the Shia and Sunni Islam dates back to martyrdom of Hussein in Karbela, Talebans and Shia centric Iran have some accounts to settle in a dispute that involves the nephew of the prophet. Iran will keep out of this even if this war exceeds far too long, it will be a war of hit and run and Kabul will fall in no time and a legitimate government installed, the Europeans and most of these countries do not understand the US-Pakistani alliance on this one, the Armies have long worked together in Afghanistan they can pull this one in a manner that will shock the USSR. Oil is sum total of lot of these ground realities I just don’t see it coming.
Lot of history and understanding of historical Islamic bickering involved in this dispute. Iran is not a swing producer but Iran and UAE can close Strait of Hormuz through which even extra supplies from Saudi and Kuwait can be nullified although red sea port exports would have no problems. But UAE and Iran both are strong US allies, no streets to worry there to, Iran would like to see back of Tale ban now no better chance than this. Turkey another major player, nearly 50 Turks have been missing in WTC, they have no appetite to help these fundamentalists. Saudis and Kuwaitis have no street to worry about; they are so rich that any demonstration will be conceivably on cars, no pockets of instability there. With Saddam collared and US bases in Gulf I most respectfully say I don’t see Oil supplies being hit. The players who matter in this business of Oil are all well positioned and US have least of worries on any of this country, the biggest was the attitude of Pakistan Army that mattered the most, although World media will not accept it, anyway most of them were trying to brand Pakistan as a target until 15th, Sept not an ally. If Pakistan had to neutralise that would have been a major problem and could have meant instability of the oil markets as they have ability on Makran coast and Gawadar but it could not have lasted for more than few hours. I think not as Pakistani but as a regional semi expert that US will be hugely successful in this campaign. Oil for me may have blip but I hope the telephone goes in by Mr. Bush to Prince Abdullah, it will you will see that.
Iqbal Latif
The traditional bad for economy are missing in today's environment..<Looking ahead, traditional prosperity killers such as high inflation, rising tax rates, overbearing government regulation and commerce-stopping trade protectionism are nowhere in sight. Indeed, the war against terrorism is producing a sea change in federal economic policies that will better promote recovery through more stimulative fiscal and monetary actions. >
The good for stock markets and economy are abound <The Greenspan Fed is also doing its part. It has already added $70 billion in new bank reserves, with more coming. Its policy target rate will probably drop 50 basis points this week to 3 percent, and another 50 to 2.5 percent in early October. For 18 months, the economy has suffered from a shortage of liquidity -- now that problem looks to be remedied.
Over at the SEC, chief Harvey Pitt has announced that the securities regulator will provide stock-market liquidity by making it easier for companies to buy back their own shares. This is a big plus for investors who will reap new profits at a lower capital-gains tax rate.
More liquidity, lower taxes, declining interest rates, near-zero inflation, a stronger defense posture -- these are all pro-growth policies that will fuel stock-market gains and economic recovery. >
Overall postive.
Iqbal Latif
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