Replies to post #41 on Is Bob Bad For iHub? (BADBOB)

[JXM]

You linked one of my posts as one that was critical of Bob. Just to be clear, I think that if iHub management wants the site to be a successful money making venture with quality participants, that Bob's presence is the best way to ensure this.

This is the post of mine that you linked.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=97151

[marty_lewis]

I agree with your feelings, but I don't know that I would have used the same words. I did get some laughs from your post. I chuckled where you said bob was a disease. that was a good one. cancer, I don't know about that... foot in mouth disease maybe, chronic stubborness maybe, I am perfect syndrome maybe, but not cancer. LOL LOL.
I also agree that posters did stalk you over to the iftp thread, and bob should have stopped it. They decided that they were going to teach you a lesson, and they did it the way they always do it, by harassing people. If iftp is a bad stock, (which btw I think it is, but who cares what I think about it, I don't even care what I think about iftp) people will wise up sooner or later. if it's sooner, that's a plus, if it's later, that's a minus.
I don't know that I want to post on this thread that much, because to me this is just a slick way to ignore people's views. The other thread was where people were able to have a one to one with bob, and here it's just going to be (or at least it seems to me, anyway) a thread where people make a beef, and it's really not addressed by anyone except the people that disagree with bob, not admin people who are the people that are needed to address the issues., I don't have much desire to sit around a "coffee table" like those old hippies used to do and pretend they were going to change the world and had all these delusional fantasies, and just drank wine and talked amongst themselves about it all. If the members cannot post on the thread where bob hangs out, then what purpose does it serve to voice concerns about him here other than to make people THINK (pretend) they are doing something about it all? I guess the "bob longs" like it though, they are able to post away in that mutual admiration society of theirs unfettered by people that disagree. I like their new calling cry. ""terminate anyone that disagrees with bob!!!!!, doodah, doodah"" LOL LOL.

is it my imagination or do they seem to want to get rid of all the people that were here before they and bob came. funny, isn't it!!

I am not going to PM matt, if he doesn't care enough to read the messages, then why should I waste my time trying to communicate with him about it?
If bob really is bad for ihub, and matt closed his eyes to the people that voiced some concerns, then he'll have ample time to reflect on his unattentiveness.

[Poet]

Post #1:

Joemoney,

In the post to which I'm responding, you list seven IHub links and say the following: The following posts are posts by other iHub posters.These are just a few posts against Bob, and I'm about to create another post against him.

Here is a breakdown of those posts:
Three were made by Marty Lewis.
One was made by JXM, who has already taken the trouble to set you straight on his post.
One was made by Sea Hag and its content was not against Bob, but a questioning of a rule.
Two were by Ga Bard.


So in your sample, you have included only two posters (Ga Bard and Marty Lewis) who has written posts against Bob. I would say that your post stretches the truth a great deal.

[Josef Svejk]

Humbly believe, Joemoney, that so far HuBob has been doing a great job, and I therefore have nothing to humbly complain about, as far as he's concerned.

No need for me to comment on the posts you linked, others have already done that.

I would like to add that I disagree with your statement that HuBob "is already not welcome by a large portion of the posters." I humbly believe that a small minority (though a vocal one) does not welcome HuBob here. The majority has not spoken, and at least as many have spoken for HuBob's presence here as have against it.

Regarding your, "Bob has renamed people's alias for dumb reasons..." I again humbly disagree. With one exception, HuBob has renamed only the aliases of members that joined to spam, and do nothing else. There is the one exception that I know of (not_Lucrecius) and I have still not humbly made up my mind on that one, pro or con, so no comment on it from me. However I very much support his renaming of 100% spammers.

Regarding your, "he allows STALKING on iHub (i have been stalked by members and bob does nothing about it)..." Please point out the instances. If you are speaking about me, obviously I disagree. So far I've only either asked you questions, or corrected statements you have made.

Regarding, "he has been VERY rude to ANYONE who criticizes him. He has driven away members, and is trying to create another cesspool like SI," my humble impression is precisely the opposite.

Humbly believe the rest of your post does not deserve a comment.

Keep up the great work, HuBob!

Cheers,

Svejk

[Was (Bob)]

Admin Bob has been on iHub for some months now

Correction: About 1 month

he is already not welcome by a large portion of the posters

Depends on how you define "large portion". I'm not sure of the exact number of truly active accounts here, but roughly half a percent of the accounts here (including dupes) have expressed that sentiment. About 3% have expressed the opposite sentiment directly and the rest haven't weighed in on the subject. They're busy talking about other things like stocks and such. I'd guess that a "large portion" of them have never heard of me and never will.

While I'm throwing numbers around, posting volume here tripled (from 500 per day to 1500 per day) the day I was hired and has remained in the 1000-1500 range since. So soon into the game and we occasionally have 1/3rd the traffic of the premier stock message board. I consider that a very meaningful statistic.

My point on this one is that your "large portion" is by no means the majority.

Bob has renamed people's alias for dumb reasons

Not sure what "dumb reasons" you're talking about, so that's really an empty statement as it stands. It may or may not be true, but I think you need to clarify.

deleted posts that should have been left up because they were just opinions

No, I don't do that. Can you give an example? You've done that. I don't do it and I don't condone it.

he has left posts up that were supposed to be deleted

I also don't do that. Can you give an example? And state why it should be deleted?

he allows STALKING on iHub (i have been stalked by members and bob does nothing about it),

I don't recall you telling me about that. But you could argue that I allow it, depending on how you define it. If you define it the way I do, I don't allow it. How do you define it?

he has been VERY rude to ANYONE who criticizes him

Maybe. I'm not your average nicey-nicey customer support kinda person and never will be. Some people would include "rude" when listing my traits and I wouldn't disagree.

However, I try not to be rude unless someone's rude to me. I usually deal with people in much the same way they deal with me.

He has driven away members,

Probably true. I don't know it for a fact, but I'm sure some left. Far more joined though.

And depending on who I've "driven away", that's not necessarily a bad thing.

is trying to create another cesspool like SI.

Ummmm.... That "cesspool" you refer to absolutely smokes anything out there in terms of quality and sure smokes us in terms of volume. There are isolated cesspool areas there, but to label the whole place a cesspool is to ignore its very long history and the fact that some of the brightest financial minds I've ever seen still call the place "home".

What I'm trying to create is something that is nearly as good as SI was when it was at its best. If it can be even *better*, excellent. We're a long way off. Actually, we're a long way from holding a candle to what it is even now, but we're getting there.

To sit here and call SI a "cesspool" is kinda like passing an older Cadillac with some dings on it and enough smoke coming out of the exhaust to indicate the engine's not long for this world, and stopping to holler "What a POS!" at it before returning to pushing your Vega to the dealership where you hope to trade it in on a Cadillac.

I will not stand for it Bob.

Freedom of choice is such a cool thing.

I want you to leave iHub.

Okay.

I understand you want me to. But I'm not planning to do it and as far as I can tell, nobody's planning to fire me.

I will not be censored by someone with poor judgement and lack of respect towards others.

"poor judgment" is really an opinion. It's not fact. A strong case can be made for my having "great judgment".

And I give respect where respect is given and earned.

[NorthWesterner]

You ask for input from people who agree with you.

You carefully don't ask for disagreement.

But you'll get it from me, anyhow.

I disagree with you.

I referee little league and adult baseball and softball. I think I do a good job. My supervisors think I do a good job -- I routinely get excellent evaluations. I have also been involved in easing out bad officials. I have, I think, a pretty good sense of what good and bad officiating is.

I have been yelled at, spat on, kicked because I saw things differently than the parents (usually) or coaches (sometimes) or players (rarely with kids, often with adults) did. Even when there is a 300 page rule book with page after page of rule interpretations there are always judgment calls. And I make them and don't apologize for doing so. And there are always people who don't like them. I don't like ejecting people -- after all, everybody is supposed to be there to have fun. But I have ejected players and coaches from games, and parents from the grounds. So I understand umpiring, and understand that in trying to interpret the TOU in the light of the intent and spirit of IH, Bob will ruffle some feathers. But a lot of this goes beyond ruffled feathers.

"Kill the Ump" is a traditional cry in American sport. So I'm not surprised to find it rearing its ugly head here. But ugly it is.

If you don't like the way this board is run, go elsewhere. Now that Bob is no longer with SI, I'm sure you'll find a warm welcome there. Or RB or Yahoo are probably much to your liking. (Not Fool -- they don't care for your kind of posting. Please don't go there.)

Don't go away mad. Just go away.

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