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temp luvs amy

02/14/14 10:09 AM

#3627 RE: swiamca #3625

I think he only agreed to bundle the product with his system sales.

Can you draw any parallels to used car salesmen?

I think we are talking about like 50 kiloton systems, and there are probably some efficiencies in the OOIL product at that level.

My system is a few ponds shy of that level.
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temp luvs amy

02/14/14 11:13 AM

#3628 RE: swiamca #3625

BTW, the guy has a name, and an Isreali patent.

His patent uses some of the same processes which I describe in my application, but he uses, describes, and claims some processes which I had not, nor did he utilize or visualize my shortcut to the same end.

My system works in a few 5 gallon buckets. His needs a 50 kiloton system.
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Ecomike

02/14/14 12:04 PM

#3629 RE: swiamca #3625

"area studies"? What does that mean?

When I take 30 minutes to dig through a site that claims to have cutting edge new technology I expect to see proof of that. I did not see enough, so that raises questions.

Ammonia is easy to treat, municipal waste water plants do it in their sleep, all it takes is dissolved oxygen (air bubbles feed to the waste water) and nature. Bacteria convert it to N2 gas, and more hungry little bacteria.

What is interesting is the source of R&D funding they claim on the web site. So they may indeed have some new tech. But electro-process waste water treatment is decades old. I stated using it in the 1980s.

In my experience in the waste water business the problem for customers with a problem, is not the lack of technology. The problem is they do not know what their problem is and thus do not know what to ask for. They also do not know what is off the shelf ready that can solve their problem.

There is not a waste water stream on the planet I, and others like me can not design and package a treatment system using cost effective component systems that are off the shelf.

Also the snake oil claims all these guys make of a chemical free processes is a lie. Making OH and the H2 gas byproduct or waste gas, in situ is making the treatment chemical OH and waste or byproduct chemical called hydrogen.

They are also making other stuff like singlet oxygen, H2O2, O3 and so on that they do not mention in sales lit fluff.

Anyway, like I said what customers need time and again, is a consultant that can document their processes, and wastes, volumes, flow rates, pH, bath dumps, cleaners, temperatures, and first change things to minimize the cost of treatment and disposal, like changing the processes, chemicals used, and then design the proper combination of treatment stages for their wastes. I have done this for over 25 years now. The EPA calls it pollution prevention planning, stage 1. Then stage II is designing the final treatment processes.

If they generate enough OH free radicals, the OH can convert the ammonia NH3/NH4 to NOx (just moves the problem to the air, or adds to Nitrate pollution in the water discharge points.

If it works as they claim, it might have potential in some limited markets like heavy metal treatment (precipitation), but the electrical cost and electrode consumption (labor to replace them) may be more expensive than just using NaOH caustic, or CO2 (Carbonate) feed.

Fish farmers may be experts on fish, and not on waste water treatment hardware options and chemical engineering.

The drawing of the hardware looks interesting, but it lacks enough detail to evaluate.

The source of funding they claim to have, if it is true, suggests it is real R&D tech.

The biggest problem out there is managers that do not understand how dynamic waste producing processes are. Many waste treatment systems fail in the field because of a lack of control of the waste production. How can you expect a waste treatment system to function with out controlling what people dump.

A car does not run well if you let people dump what ever they want to in a gas tank.