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Doug, Re: points

1. Fair enough.

2. You will also see continued progress in software optimization for Itanium 2. This is especially true since Intel is putting millions of dollars into Itanium 2 infrastructure, while AMD is relying on third parties to do most of the work for Opteron.

3. Itanium 2 max power is 130W. Opteron max power is 84.7W. It's straight from the datasheets.

4. Yes.

5. Itanium 2 is encroaching on markets that are very well established. Not only are these markets low volume, but they have an exceedingly high barrier for entry. Up until last week, Itanium 2 did not have a fully featured Microsoft operating system. Now it does, which will help. It is also only the fourth quarter after Itanium 2 first launched in Q3 2002. Software is just now becoming widely available, including SQL Server, Oracle, and others on the wings. It will be interesting to compare Q3 and Q4 2003 with Q3 and Q4 2002 (just so that seasonal differences don't play on the volumes). I'm expecting several percentage points of enterprise market share by the end of the year.

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"5. Then why is no one buying them? What explains the Itanium's failure to sell well? "
The failure is with Amdroids who continue to ignore reality and the adoption of Itaniums.
Read on, dude - about HP, NEC, Switzerland, India, British Petroleum, SGI, Dell, Cal Tech, etc.
Then compare that list to....Newisys - AMD's flunkee-owned company !!!!!!

Dell demos Itanium 2 server
Company reveals few details about new system



By Tom Krazit April 24, 2003




Dell Computer publicly demonstrated an Itanium 2 server for the first time at Microsoft's Windows Server 2003 launch event in San Francisco Thursday, and said it will release such a system later this year.

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Dell has expressed support for Intel's Itanium 2 processor in the past, but has been reluctant to share details about its plans for the chip. Thursday's demonstration didn't mark a change in that strategy, as Dell spokesman Bruce Anderson declined to comment about the server's price, configuration, or specific launch date.

It was also unclear whether Dell is waiting for Madison , the next version of the Itanium 2, to launch in the middle of this year before it releases a system using a chip from the Itanium processor family. Anderson also declined to comment on whether the performance benefits expected from Madison 's higher clock speed and larger cache were the reason for Dell's year-long hesitation in deploying an Itanium 2 server.

Itanium 2 is a 64-bit processor launched last July that uses an entirely different instruction set than 64-bit RISC (reduced instruction set computing) processors or 32-bit processors from Intel and Advanced Micro Devices. It was developed in conjunction with Hewlett-Packard, which has been the primary backer of Itanium 2. The chip has won praise for its performance, but it requires IT managers to recompile all of their applications for the new instruction set to take advantage of that performance.

Dell and IBM have been reluctant to release servers using the chip. IBM announced this week it would release a server using a competing 64-bit chip, AMD's Opteron.

Dell, based in Round Rock, Texas , expects to sell Itanium 2-based servers to the high-performance computing market, Anderson said. Intel released benchmarks Thursday claiming an HP server with 64 Madison processors, Windows Server 2003 and Microsoft's new 64-bit SQL Server database achieved the highest-ever single-system transaction processing score as measured by the TPC-C benchmark for high-performance online transaction-processing computers. However, benchmarking claims are notoriously unreliable, according to one analyst.

"In general we don't tend to pay a lot of attention to benchmarks. They show a vendor's dedication to a particular area, but we advise our clients to look at actually running a database within their own application environment. Is the database going to support their applications? Is the packaged application available? Those are the sort of questions they should ask," said Betsy Burton, an analyst at Stamford, Conn.-based Gartner.







Tom Krazit is a U.S. correspondent for the IDG News Service, an InfoWorld affiliate.




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HP Itanium systems benchmarks are the business

Silk purse from a sow's ear

By Staff at the Newsdesk: Wednesday 16 April 2003, 14:21


HP HAS RELEASED some performance information on its Madison based severs. The 6MB L3 cache Itanium 2 running at 1.5GHz is a bit of all-right according to the firm. It says that many of the latest results beat previous bests by 40%. It also claims those previous bests were held by Itanium 2 based HP servers.
The benchmarks in question are Specweb99_SSL and SAP Standard Application SD. An HP quad-processor system managed 3,344 simultaneous connections running on HP-UX 11i. Pretty impressive. HP claims that equivalent IBM and Sun systems couldn't even manage half that speed.

The SAP benchmark ran 860 simulated users with 1.97second average response time. Again, HP is claiming that this stomps all over the opposition.

It could be that the Itanium is finally starting to prove its worth. If anyone was going to make a silk purse from the sow's ear that was the original Itanic, the combination of HP and Intel were likely to be the ones. µ


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BP Deploys HP Intel Itanium 2-Based Systems for Seismic Imaging Research
Monday April 21, 11:02 am ET
Intel Itanium 2-Based Solution Running Linux Delivers Significant Price-Performance Improvement, Time Savings for Oil, Gas Exploration


HOUSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 21, 2003-- Intel Corporation and HP (NYSE:HPQ - News) today announced that BP, one of the world's largest petroleum and petrochemicals companies, has added new and additional computing capabilities to its advanced seismic research facility. The research facility will benefit from the addition of HP Intel® Itanium® 2-based systems running Linux, resulting in dramatically faster seismic imaging.
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Based in Houston, BP's advanced seismic research center now includes a high-performance computing (HPC) cluster of 259 HP rx5670 systems with more than 1,000 Itanium 2 processors, providing a total of 4 teraflops and 8000 GB of memory, running under the Linux operating system. The HP Server rx5670 is part of HP's broad portfolio of industry-standard Itanium-based hardware for enterprise customers. Using HP's Itanium 2-based systems running Linux as well as Intel and HP software, compilers and tools, BP has achieved a significant increase in computing power, resulting in clearer images of the Earth's subsurface structures and the hydrocarbons they contain.

"To achieve the most cost-effective and productive drilling procedure, we have to gather massive sets of seismic data and analyze them quickly and accurately," said Keith Gray, manager of BP's HPC center. "The combination of HP Itanium 2-based servers running Linux and software tools and services from Intel and HP gives us the power to produce better-defined results in a fraction of the time."

"The BP seismic solution illustrates the growing momentum for Itanium 2-based systems in heavy-duty enterprise computing," said John Davies, vice president, sales and marketing group and director of Intel's Solutions Market Development Group. "By using Itanium 2-based systems to run one of the most powerful commercial computing centers in the world, BP is able to take advantage of the world-class reliability, scalability and power provided by the Itanium 2 processor."

"Itanium 2-based solutions are increasingly becoming the platform of choice for highly demanding applications in the technical and commercial marketplaces as they save customers valuable time and money," said Mark Hudson, vice president of Marketing for HP's Business Critical Systems. "By deploying Itanium 2-based HP systems running Linux, BP is able to assess and manage the search for hydrocarbons more efficiently, while also reducing the risk inherent in exploration and development."

Moore's Law -- conceived by Intel co-founder Gordon Moore in 1968 -- has pushed the performance of Intel-based computing platforms to the forefront of scientific and business innovation, helping to slash computing costs and expand high performance computing beyond the confines of proprietary supercomputers to a more mainstream production environment. Intel-based solutions are rapidly becoming the platform of choice because of their outstanding price/performance and scalability, support for open-source development, and extended, multi-vendor environment.

The Intel Itanium 2 processor is the second in the Itanium processor family, a line of enterprise-class processors from Intel that brings the performance and volume economics of Intel architecture to the most data-intensive business-critical and technical computing applications. The Itanium processor family enables a broad choice of reliable platforms and software for high-end servers and workstations at significantly lower cost with better performance than many proprietary offerings.

Additional Information

An article about BP's HPC center appears in the April 2003 issue of Frontiers, BP's group magazine of technology and innovation. The article, written by the magazine's editor Terry Knott, may be read at www.bp.com/frontiers.

About HP

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India's Institute of Science to Power Supercomputing Center with SGI Altix 3000 System and Intel Itanium 2 Processors
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Leading High-Performance Computing Institute Selects India's First Itanium 2-Based SGI System to Further Scientific Discovery

BANGALORE, India, INTEL DEVELOPER FORUM, April 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- SGI (NYSE: SGI) announced that the Supercomputing Education Research Centre (SERC), India's leading center for high-performance computing (HPC) at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) in Bangalore, has purchased India's first SGI(R) Altix(TM) 3000 system, powered by 32 Intel(R) Itanium(R) 2 processors.

The SGI(R) system will provide a powerful shared supercomputing resource for SERC researchers, helping to further discoveries in the areas of gene sequencing, gene mapping, computational fluid dynamics and other cutting-edge research projects. Intel will also support IISc with Intel(R) processor-based compilers and tools to enhance the performance of various applications developed by SERC.

The system, which was presented today by Intel and SGI to SERC's chairman, Dr. S. M. Rao, at the Intel Developer Forum, will be upgraded to the next Intel Itanium 2 processor (code-named "Madison") later in the year. The SGI Altix 3000 system is a breakthrough Linux(R) solution that uniquely scales memory across all processors in all nodes in a cluster, so that users and their applications can efficiently use up to 16TB of shared-memory space -- an architectural capability called "global shared memory." Coupled with the Itanium 2 processor, the systems offer technical users world-record levels of performance with unprecedented price/performance and scalability in a standard Linux environment.

"At SERC, we have always believed in having the best computing platforms for our scientific research needs," said Dr. Rao. "Our decision to buy the outstanding SGI Altix 3000 system, and also to upgrade it to the next Intel Itanium 2 processor, is keeping in tune with this belief. SGI and Intel are providing the scalability, raw performance and reliability that HPC users need to solve the large, complex problems of both science and industry."

"The SERC deployment is an exciting high-performance computing initiative, and Intel applauds their decision to invest in open-standards-based supercomputing," said John Davies, vice president and director of Intel's Solutions Development Group. "Dozens of leading scientific institutions around the world have already switched to Itanium-based systems and are benefiting from the massive performance gains at a reduced cost. Intel is proud to work together with SGI to help researchers in India and around the world to make new discoveries and seek solutions to complex scientific problems."

"The Altix system's raw performance and immense scalability, due to Intel Itanium 2 processors and SGI NUMAflex architecture, is the absolute right fit for SERC's computational needs. The price/performance of Altix is enhanced by its leverage of the Linux operating system. We are delighted to have IISc as our first customer for this system in India," said Prasad Medury, managing director, SGI India.

SGI Altix 3000 Scaling New Heights

The Altix 3000 family of servers and superclusters offers global shared memory, which is a first for Linux OS-based computing, thus bringing supercomputing capability to Linux users across all markets and applications. Altix can scale up to 64 processors in one node and to hundreds of processors today in a supercluster environment. The built-in interconnects are 200 times faster than existing traditional interconnects, thus delivering outstanding peak and sustained performance. SGI increases the Altix system's power by offering an advanced supercomputing software environment that includes the acclaimed SGI(R) CXFS(TM) (available summer 2003), high-performance shared filesystem, optimized programming and science libraries, and supercomputing data management tools.

Future Intel Itanium 2 Processors

Intel plans to release the Itanium 2 processor 6M (Madison) midyear 2003, with up to 6MB of level 3 cache and a top frequency of 1.50 GHz. The new processor is expected to deliver 30% to 50% higher performance than the current Itanium 2 processor. Other plans include the introduction of the low-voltage Itanium 2 processor (code-named "Deerfield") in the second half of this year. It features similar performance to today's Itanium 2 processors, but at half the power, for dual-processor high-performance computing and select front-end applications. Future products include an Itanium 2 processor with 9MB of L3 cache in 2004, followed by a dual-core processor in 2005 (code-named "Montecito").

Intel Gains HPC Ground in India

At India's HPC Asia event in December 2002, Intel announced that leading Indian scientific, research and academic institutions are building Intel processor-based systems in order to take advantage of open, industry-standard technologies and ongoing price/performance improvements. This shift to industry-standard building blocks is part of a worldwide trend that has seen a dramatic increase in the number of Intel processor-based systems being used for HPC deployments.

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The Supercomputer Education and Research Centre (SERC) has been established to provide a state-of-the-art computing facility to the faculty and students of the institute. The center was conceived of as a functionally distributed supercomputing environment, housing leading-edge computing systems with sophisticated software packages and connected by a powerful high-speed network. The computing facilities are connected to the Internet and are accessible from the world over. More details can be found at www.serc.iisc.ernet.in/.

The Indian Institute of Science (IISc) was started in 1909. Since then, it has grown into a premier institution of research and advanced instruction, with more than 2000 active researchers working in almost all frontier areas of science and technology.

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California Institute of Technology Selects HP Itanium 2 Systems for Scientific Research on TeraGrid Project

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PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 16, 2003--


HP Continues to Drive Industry-wide Adoption of Its Itanium 2-based Servers

HP (NYSE:HPQ) today announced that the California Institute of Technology's Center for Advanced Computing Research (CACR) has installed HP Itanium(R) 2-based servers running on Linux as part of its 32-node cluster dedicated to data intensive applications on the TeraGrid project, the world's largest, fastest, distributed infrastructure for open scientific research.
As the focal point for research in computational science and engineering at the California Institute of Technology, CACR turned to HP's dual-processor clustered rx2600 Itanium(R) 2-based servers to provide an infrastructure that can easily adapt to its fast-evolving computing needs.
"We rely on continuous performance improvements to advance the sophistication of our simulations and maintain a rapid research pace," said James C.T. Pool, executive director, CACR. "HP has been providing CACR with reliable, high-performance systems for years. We have performed initial testing with NAS Parallel Benchmarks, High Performance Linpack, Pallas MPI Benchmarks, and local applications stressing computational and data intensive aspects of the HP cluster. We are pleased with the results to date."
CACR will employ 17 Itanium 2-based servers to provide the performance and stability required to run data-intensive applications, perform scientific simulations and move large volumes of data across the network in real time for the National Science Foundation's TeraGrid project.
The TeraGrid is an $88 million project funded by the NSF and will allow researchers across the United States to more quickly analyze, simulate and help solve some of the most complex scientific problems such as molecular modeling for disease detection, drug discovery, automobile crash simulations and research on alternative energy sources.
Enabled by the Intel(R) Itanium 2 processor and the high-bandwidth, low-latency HP Chipset zx1, the HP servers will connect to a collection of high-performance computers at five labs(1), creating a giant virtual computer accessible from any point on the TeraGrid. The system is expected to be operational by July.
"We are extremely pleased to expand our relationship with CACR. Not only does it speak to the strength of HP's Itanium-based solutions, but it also underlines our commitment to the technical computing space," said Winston Prather, vice president, high performance technical computing, HP Enterprise Systems Group. "Today's announcement is further testimony of the increasing number of organizations that are choosing Itanium-based servers for their high-performance computing needs."
CACR also is using eight single-processor HP zx2000 Itanium 2-based workstations for the development of earth sciences applications and parallel visualization software.
HP has been supplying high-performance systems to CACR for several years, including an HP Superdome server running HP-UX being used for scientific research.
TeraGrid is a multi-year effort to build and deploy the world's largest, fastest, distributed infrastructure for open scientific research. When completed, the TeraGrid will include 20 teraflops of computing power distributed at five sites, facilities capable of managing and storing nearly 1 petabyte of data, high-resolution visualization environments and toolkits for grid computing. These components will be tightly integrated and connected through a network that will operate at 40 gigabits per second -- the fastest research network on the planet. More information about the TeraGrid is available at http://www.teragrid.org.

About CACR

For almost two decades, the Center for Advanced Computing Research and its predecessors at the California Institute of Technology have provided leading-edge capabilities for computational science and engineering research collaborations and experimented with new technologies to help define the technical computing environment of the future. More information about CACR is available at http://www.cacr.caltech.edu.

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Swedish institute goes Itanium
By Stephen Shankland
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April 11, 2003, 4:04 PM PT
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Hewlett-Packard has sold 90 dual-processor Itanium 2 machines to the Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden's largest engineering school, for use in a wide variety of intense calculation tasks.
The institute purchased 74 rx2600 dual-processor servers and 16 zx6000 dual-processor workstations, HP said Friday. They will be used at the ParallelDatorCentrum, a computing center funded chiefly by the Swedish National Infrastructure for Computing, to tackle problems in areas ranging from life sciences to astrophysics. The institute did not release how much it paid for the machines, but calculations show that they would cost at least $1.3 million on the market.

The 90-computer cluster is expected to be running by this summer, but within a year, the institute expects to triple its computing capacity with additional HP computers. In addition, the cluster will be linked into Sweden's national "grid" for scientific computing, one of many networks of shared computers that collectively tackle even larger computing problems.

HP helped design Intel's Itanium processor family, a high-end product that first came out in 2001. Intel hopes Itanium will push aside IBM's Power processors and Sun Microsystems' UltraSparc processors.

Market researcher Gartner asserts that by the end of 2003, Itanium servers will be mature enough for databases--the data-storage task that's at the heart of business computing. Thus far, Itanium systems have been most widely used in clusters of smaller machines interlinked for high-performance technical computing jobs.

On Thursday, researchers at the U.S.-based National Partnership for Advanced Computational Infrastructure announced full Itanium 2 support for its software, which is designed to make it less difficult to set up Linux-based supercomputer clusters.

In 2002, HP was the top seller in the $4.7 billion market for high-performance technical computers. However, No. 2 IBM's share of that market grew while HP's share shrank.



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