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fung_derf

04/23/03 4:39 PM

#100600 RE: Zeev Hed #100596

You can't get much more bullish than me lately, and I can see the Dow testing 9000, and ultimately 9800.
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fisherman

04/23/03 4:41 PM

#100602 RE: Zeev Hed #100596

What good is the claim that we are not in a recession when people can't find jobs.
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conelda

04/23/03 4:55 PM

#100612 RE: Zeev Hed #100596

..will it be fast enough to prevent the nassacre?? Seems that would be a priority--?
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mlsoft

04/23/03 5:04 PM

#100617 RE: Zeev Hed #100596

"mlsoft, you underestimate the power of the government to stimulate the economy and borrow from future years, if we enter a recession here, Bush is going to be a one term president, he might still be, but you can bet your last short dollar that they are going to pull all stops so that the Dems will not be able to come in with the old motto "It is the economy stupid", so no recession right here yet, just muddling, not fast enough (though we may have a surprise on the next GDP preliminary showing a 2.5 to 3% growth) to create new jobs, but fast enough to claim that we are not in a recession."
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Zeev...

I believe the surprise here is going to be the inability of the Government to prevent the recession. Neither monetary policy nor fiscal policy address the problems in the economy and I do not think jawboning, relatively modest tax relief and/or spending programs, or increasing the money supply are likely to prove effective. In fact, I believe that the Greenspan Gambit to reflate the consumer's pocket by driving the markets higher is the only idea that has a realistic chance of success, although I continue to believe he will ultimately fail at the attempt.

As for a second term, if it depends solely on the economy as you suggest, Bush will be a one term president, but I do not accept that as a given. So far, the Dems have shown utter stupidity in their handling of the war and terrorism, and more folks are terrified by the thought of a Daschle type liberal democrat in charge of national security and the international situation than they are afraid of the economy. If the Republicans can successfully get across the truth that the bubble came and burst under the previous administration, the market collapse began under the previous administration, and the economy which turned down as a result of the bursting economic and market bubble started its downward slide under the previous administration, then Bush may get reelected despite a very poor economy. Things have changed in the world since 09/11 and the American people as a whole trust Bush and think he is doing a good job. The world will not be all that much safer a year from now, and I would not bet my life that Bush will not pull off a victory regardless of the economy.

The Dems so far are showing themselves very capable of political suicide by ignoring the opinions and values of the average American and I see no signs that will change. As long as they look at Bush as a dummy and illegitimate president, they will lose by underestimating both him and the American public yet again.

mlsoft
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jdaasoc

04/24/03 11:34 PM

#101318 RE: Zeev Hed #100596

RE jobs today 455K

I am ironically glad that jobs data was not good. First benefit is that remaining who are working will drive GDP higher by whatever 2-3% increase being reported tomorrow morning.
Secondly, I am glad that most states are handing them $400 a week to comtemplate their navels which spending much of that money at WMT, Costco and hopefully paying refinanced mortgage with C and WM.

This sideways squeezing out of higher profits can continue for a while -- first 300 S&P stocks reporting 9% higher earnings -- unless you are one being squeezed out of job or benefits.