Thx SOB. I had a hunch you would be a good resource on this. Excellent. I appreciate the time you put in. I am a lazy shopper. I live rural and going to the city is an effort. I am also impatient. I also don’t have a lot of interest in this stuff. With your posts I think I can maybe cut to the chase a bit with the young saleperson types. Thx also for the epinions site. To be honest whether I spend $250 or $400 isn’t that big of a deal. Daughters are older and responsible. Rightly or wrongly I like to buy quality. I would imagine they will be downloading music and loading it on whatever or using the existing music they have on their pc’s. Good point about the battery.