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Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:58:28 AM
iPODs work. Period. Won't dispute that.
Friend of mine (Apple everything), bot his step daughter a Shuttle. She wasn't in the room and I said to him the draw back is a lack of screen. He made his points and figured that wasn't such a high order item. She came in the room, he asked her, and she said "like ya.. that is such a big bummer!".
So assuming a prerequisite is "I must be able to see the name of the song I am playing" (as I believe almost every single Mp3 player has except the shuttle), and for me it actually is, then it will cost $249CA for an entry 2GB Nano. Period.
If John has a couple of daughters, a couple of years apart, my guess is he wants to buy them both one. I see every morning, 2 girls at the bus, one is Sexton Jr's age (7) and the other is 4 years older. The older one had to RE-TAKE swimming classes because the younger one wanted her in the class. One didn't get a Nintendo DS - last Christmas -- BOTH did.
So John has a choice to make.
(A) He wants it to work. PERIOD. He is willing/able to plop down $575CA for two MP3 players. No idea about their age and how responsible they are. I will take the high road and say I would be hard pressed to give my kid (early teens) a $300 electronic gadget that will go to school. I probably wouldn't sleep too well either thinking that one day it might be stolen.
(Cripes my heart races first thing when I go outside and I forgot to lock the door and the window was open all night - and it is a 9 year old POS Ford living in a highend neighborhood with a cop shop around the corner!) iPODS = Mustangs and other high-theft cars.
(B) He wants something that works. If the goal is to download music ($$) and load onto the MP3 player, yup he will have to do some homework. If he only wants to rip CDs and copy to the Mp3 player, that should be a no brainer. He can pick and choose any mp3 player he wants. He could get both daughters a similar unit - the older one could get 128MB and the younger one would get 64MB. In a couple of years, there will be cheaper, bigger, better units, and he could buy them new ones. (I am convinced, combined, buying those 4 mp3 players, would be cheaper (or tad more) than the 2 NANOS. Period). A $130 (if that) non-Apple MP3 player most likely will not get stolen and if lost/broken, it isn't such a huge expense.
I don't know anything about John except he posted a message and I responded. I even pointed out a NANO (of which failed the sniff test on virtually all my key points in an Good MP3 player BTW). (And lets forget about the "of course competition will try and copy and make units that appear to be feature-to-feature better than Apple" arguement. Apple's iPOD from generation 1 to today haven't changed all that much in the feature department. Still don't have a custom equalizer the last time I checked the NANO specs).
Disclaimer: I have never owned Apple stock. I do own an Apple ][+ and Apple //e clone of which both sit in my basement.
To Roni: I could go back to day 1 and talk about the PC v. Mac discussion we had. I care not. I am not sure why you seem to think I am an Apple basher. Unfortunately, very very very very few purchases are made without lots of homework on my part. Buying my utility fridge (basement) was a bloody ordeal!
YES, I typically make value oriented purchases. My brother (18yrs older than me) is into the glitz - latest things. Would instantly plop big money down for iPODS et al. Has several large screen TVs (HD >$3000). (My largest is a $179 Costco 24" TV). He also talks to investment advisers who tell him that, to protect our parent's nest egg (billions I am sure), we should get an life insurance plan for them and WE pay the policy. He hears me laugh saying "yeah I know about that, they do it all the time in the US because of the inheritance taxes; and guy our parents are north of 75 years old.. could they even get a policy? Are you for real?" At >50 years old he is only now maybe thinking about his retirement plans.
If I was making considerably more money (from investments) owning a MAC, Powerbook, iPOD etc would be a no brainer. Until then every decision is made based on needs and value. For me the iPOD stuff isn't something high on my list of required purchases (wife has another armoir ahead of that). I can't justfiy >$250 for an iPOD. Under $150, yes.
Everyone has their own choice to make. If John (sorry to put you on the spot mate) said "Blake what is the best Mp3 player - PRICE NO OBJECT". I would have said IPOD. Period. If value is a priority, then Apple is no way to go. If anyone thinks the single IPOD purchase is all they will make, think again. Looking at somewhere an additionaly $50-150 in accessories -- one of which is an actual working case to protect your original investment. If I pay $130 for a crappy MP3 player - it gets scratched, it drops, it stops working after a year - so what it was cheap to start with and I'll get something better. Higher priced items have to be treated better and that costs money.
I wish to say today:
(A) I love Apple as a company; wish them all the best; like seeing their new gadgets and gear; not all of them to me are hits and/or some features or "lack of" have something to be desired; but for glitz they rule. Find most of their stuff is overvalued. (gouge comes to mind).
They are in the fashion business - they TELL people what they want, and people love it. As such, you need to pay up to get the latest digs.. even if they aren't of good value.
(B) OT: Love Steve Jobs. Own all the Pixar Disney movies. Class "A" guy!
(C) AAPL? Congrats, doing well I see.
Remember what GG said "Don't get emotional over stock, it clouds judgement."
(BTW: I have a fact for you -- of the people I know that have "AN" iPOD, they have more than one iPOD. That will skew your 75% I think.)
BTW: We all should be focused on the results of Black Friday - did you see all the Al Qaeda terrorists trampling over people in the hope that they will be able to buy more cheap crappy Made in China crap from Walmart than the American capitalist dogs? Serious S**T!!!
Great discussion as usual. Now back to my lair..
Cheers mate!
B
Friend of mine (Apple everything), bot his step daughter a Shuttle. She wasn't in the room and I said to him the draw back is a lack of screen. He made his points and figured that wasn't such a high order item. She came in the room, he asked her, and she said "like ya.. that is such a big bummer!".
So assuming a prerequisite is "I must be able to see the name of the song I am playing" (as I believe almost every single Mp3 player has except the shuttle), and for me it actually is, then it will cost $249CA for an entry 2GB Nano. Period.
If John has a couple of daughters, a couple of years apart, my guess is he wants to buy them both one. I see every morning, 2 girls at the bus, one is Sexton Jr's age (7) and the other is 4 years older. The older one had to RE-TAKE swimming classes because the younger one wanted her in the class. One didn't get a Nintendo DS - last Christmas -- BOTH did.
So John has a choice to make.
(A) He wants it to work. PERIOD. He is willing/able to plop down $575CA for two MP3 players. No idea about their age and how responsible they are. I will take the high road and say I would be hard pressed to give my kid (early teens) a $300 electronic gadget that will go to school. I probably wouldn't sleep too well either thinking that one day it might be stolen.
(Cripes my heart races first thing when I go outside and I forgot to lock the door and the window was open all night - and it is a 9 year old POS Ford living in a highend neighborhood with a cop shop around the corner!) iPODS = Mustangs and other high-theft cars.
(B) He wants something that works. If the goal is to download music ($$) and load onto the MP3 player, yup he will have to do some homework. If he only wants to rip CDs and copy to the Mp3 player, that should be a no brainer. He can pick and choose any mp3 player he wants. He could get both daughters a similar unit - the older one could get 128MB and the younger one would get 64MB. In a couple of years, there will be cheaper, bigger, better units, and he could buy them new ones. (I am convinced, combined, buying those 4 mp3 players, would be cheaper (or tad more) than the 2 NANOS. Period). A $130 (if that) non-Apple MP3 player most likely will not get stolen and if lost/broken, it isn't such a huge expense.
I don't know anything about John except he posted a message and I responded. I even pointed out a NANO (of which failed the sniff test on virtually all my key points in an Good MP3 player BTW). (And lets forget about the "of course competition will try and copy and make units that appear to be feature-to-feature better than Apple" arguement. Apple's iPOD from generation 1 to today haven't changed all that much in the feature department. Still don't have a custom equalizer the last time I checked the NANO specs).
Disclaimer: I have never owned Apple stock. I do own an Apple ][+ and Apple //e clone of which both sit in my basement.
To Roni: I could go back to day 1 and talk about the PC v. Mac discussion we had. I care not. I am not sure why you seem to think I am an Apple basher. Unfortunately, very very very very few purchases are made without lots of homework on my part. Buying my utility fridge (basement) was a bloody ordeal!
YES, I typically make value oriented purchases. My brother (18yrs older than me) is into the glitz - latest things. Would instantly plop big money down for iPODS et al. Has several large screen TVs (HD >$3000). (My largest is a $179 Costco 24" TV). He also talks to investment advisers who tell him that, to protect our parent's nest egg (billions I am sure), we should get an life insurance plan for them and WE pay the policy. He hears me laugh saying "yeah I know about that, they do it all the time in the US because of the inheritance taxes; and guy our parents are north of 75 years old.. could they even get a policy? Are you for real?" At >50 years old he is only now maybe thinking about his retirement plans.
If I was making considerably more money (from investments) owning a MAC, Powerbook, iPOD etc would be a no brainer. Until then every decision is made based on needs and value. For me the iPOD stuff isn't something high on my list of required purchases (wife has another armoir ahead of that). I can't justfiy >$250 for an iPOD. Under $150, yes.
Everyone has their own choice to make. If John (sorry to put you on the spot mate) said "Blake what is the best Mp3 player - PRICE NO OBJECT". I would have said IPOD. Period. If value is a priority, then Apple is no way to go. If anyone thinks the single IPOD purchase is all they will make, think again. Looking at somewhere an additionaly $50-150 in accessories -- one of which is an actual working case to protect your original investment. If I pay $130 for a crappy MP3 player - it gets scratched, it drops, it stops working after a year - so what it was cheap to start with and I'll get something better. Higher priced items have to be treated better and that costs money.
I wish to say today:
(A) I love Apple as a company; wish them all the best; like seeing their new gadgets and gear; not all of them to me are hits and/or some features or "lack of" have something to be desired; but for glitz they rule. Find most of their stuff is overvalued. (gouge comes to mind).
They are in the fashion business - they TELL people what they want, and people love it. As such, you need to pay up to get the latest digs.. even if they aren't of good value.
(B) OT: Love Steve Jobs. Own all the Pixar Disney movies. Class "A" guy!
(C) AAPL? Congrats, doing well I see.
Remember what GG said "Don't get emotional over stock, it clouds judgement."
(BTW: I have a fact for you -- of the people I know that have "AN" iPOD, they have more than one iPOD. That will skew your 75% I think.)
BTW: We all should be focused on the results of Black Friday - did you see all the Al Qaeda terrorists trampling over people in the hope that they will be able to buy more cheap crappy Made in China crap from Walmart than the American capitalist dogs? Serious S**T!!!
Great discussion as usual. Now back to my lair..
Cheers mate!
B
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Dr. Alexander Elder on using stops.
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