And the fact that you were (and remain) unwilling to retract the remarks or apologize for remarks which are (or may) be construed as offensive to Ze'ev (the thread owner), reinforces the fact that you stand by the perception of what you said and feel about Jewish people.
I am highly offended (and I'm not Jewish) ... if you had any honor whatsoever, you would apologize to Ze'ev. IMO
If your remarks were miscontrued or misunderstood, why would you not apologize out of human decency, and clarify what you really meant?
Your comparison of Nazis and Israelis is outrageous and I certainly remember (very clearly) at the time at being flabergasted by your remarks and unwillingness to apologize.
You amaze me ... you are willing to appease dictators, tryrants, deposts and terrorists, but you won't apologize to a man of Ze'ev's integrity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hard to understand (which really makes me question your intelligence and motives).
There are many other references and innuendo regarding your anti-semitism, but here is what started the nonsense talk, imo:
Posted by: sylvester80 In reply to: goodluck who wrote msg# 1565 Date:12/28/2002 9:02:33 PM Post #of 10075
So do you compare to who killed the most because you've killed less? You might as well start comparing then to Nazi Germany rather than Jordan for better comparison as Nazi Germany also occupied land and killed people belonging to that land which by the way formed terrorist groups (freedom fighters) trying to inflict damage (in any shape or form) to the Germans to leave their land (which of course meant reprisals by the Germans just like now in the occupied territories). So I think you'll get better comparisons that way... Good luck.
Posted by: Zeev Hed In reply to: sylvester80 who wrote msg# 1568 Date: 12/28/2002 9:30:12 PM Post #
sylvester, now you are getting me really upset, my Father was one of those "terrorists" fighting the Germans in WWII (and was of course executed for his troubles), but he never targeted a single civilian German nor other civilians in his efforts, he bombed an SS command center that included a list of all Jews to be deported to Auschwitz, a printing outfit that printed "ration cards" (to supply the macquis and an organization that was hiding thousands of Jewish kids in the countryside with those ration cards), derailing armed forces trains and few other acts of "terror" against the occupying army which was butchering his people in gas chambers. That is in stark contradiction to terrorists that target civilians only. It is personally offensive to me when you even attempt to put the two activities side by side. Furthermore, terrorists like my father were "fair game" and not one German commander was brought to trial for executing what were indeed "enemy combatants". Armed terrorists are indeed "fair game", just as my father was, armed terrorists that target civilians are even "fairer game", they are war criminal (unlike my father who was just a terrorist or freedom fighter). They can surrender and stand trial, or die in battle. Most surrender. When they surrender, they are not even executed (unlike the "terrorists" caught by the German Nazi machine, most of which were executed within weeks of their capture)
Show me a German occupation court listening to argument against deportation from Brussel to Aschwitz of a Jewish family (wheter or not one of their members was a "terrorist), but the family of a Palestinian terrorist can got to the Israeli supreme court and obtain not only a stay against deportation from the west bank to Gaza, but win the vacuation of the deportation order as well.
I'll make it very clear to you, if you once more make an analogy between Palestinian terrorists that target civilians and the like of my father, you will assure that you cut off all communications between the two of us. The choice is yours. Yor lack of cooth and your moral rudeness is amazing, and that is the best I could say.
Zeev Posted by: Richard Palm In reply to: sylvester80 who wrote msg# 1640 Date: 12/29/2002 3:14:35 PM Post #
The U.S. has been an occupation force too, and so have many other countries that have won wars. Neither Israel nor Jordan have engaged in mass extermination of peoples. Neither Israel nor Jordan is attempting to conquer the world. Nazi Germany is NOT a "better comparison" to Israel.
The U.S. occupation of Japan and Germany ended because the people in the occupied countries stopped fighting us and started cooperating with us. Maybe the Palestinians ought to take a clue from this fact. Posted by: sylvester80 In reply to: Richard Palm who wrote msg# 1655 Date: 12/29/2002 3:17:59 PM Post #
Jordan was not an occupation force. Israel is just like Germany. BTW, just take a look of the Israeli Defense Force taking pictures of themselves smiling over the dead body of Palestinian. Disgusting! Just as disgusting when Palestinians did the same. These are not events done by normal people. The humanity has left them both.
http://www.ummah.com/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/images/posedeadbody.jpg Israeli soldiers pose for pictures beside the body of a Palestinian gunman who was killed in an exchange of fire at a checkpoint at Baka a-Sharkiya, February 21, 2002. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced plans to set up special 'buffer zones' to protect Israelis and demanded Palestinians disarm fully, after Israeli forces carried out a new wave of deadly reprisal raids. (Yarif Katz/Reuters)
Posted by: Richard Palm In reply to: sylvester80 who wrote msg# 1657 Date: 12/29/2002 5:11:05 PM Post #
"Jordan was not an occupation force."
The U.S. was, so does that make the U.S. "just like" Nazi Germany?
"Israel is just like Germany."
Where are the gas chambers? The millions of skeletons of gassed Palestinians? The plans for world conquest?
"Israeli soldiers pose for pictures beside the body of a Palestinian gunman who was killed in an exchange of fire at a checkpoint at Baka a-Sharkiya, February 21, 2002."
So let me get this straight: If you were just in a gun battle, you wouldn't be happy about coming out of it alive?
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