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viking86

10/05/12 7:53 PM

#20025 RE: viking86 #20024

Edit: "As a way to put this nonsensical discussion about PEG and whether it applies to SIAF or not,..."

should read:

"As a way to put this nonsensical discussion about PEG and whether it applies to SIAF or not to an end,"
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Traderfan

10/05/12 8:18 PM

#20026 RE: viking86 #20024

My answer is A. Question of course is when is the deadline for this bet since the 2013 numbers won't be exactly known until march 2014.
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RealDutch

10/06/12 4:12 AM

#20032 RE: viking86 #20024

Viking, sorry I was unable to answer your question yesterday. As you know I am currently restricted to 15 posts per day. I am trying to have that restriction lifted but Admin seems unwilling to because I am the most frequent poster on this board. As a result, I see no other option than to ask my money back. Because I'm not being provided with the service that I paid for.

The answer to your question, I don't have a clue when the market will properly value this stock. All I know is how to get there. And so does SIAF, so that is comforting.
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Benoit1

10/06/12 6:27 AM

#20036 RE: viking86 #20024

Viking, I'm taking a conservative view and my answer is also b. A p/e of 4-8 still means that SIAF would be very undervalued at that point considering the growth, prospects, cash flow and profitability.

Anyway, that will give us an upside of approximately 1000 % in about 1.5 years. It would just be the beginning though, imo, if SIAF continue to deliver as I expect.

Near term we look forward to some news about the BOD, the cash dividend, the financing deal, the dual listing and perhaps a few new farm deals.

Have a good weekend all.
Benoit
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treit2002

10/06/12 12:54 PM

#20063 RE: viking86 #20024

Viking.

This is a good question, tough to answer. My whole point about PEG is not that it isn't a number, a single valuation metric. Of course it is, but it doesn't apply to SIAF now for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is risk. SIAF is not a $34 stock.

The corollary is that free cash flow analysis is another equally valid valuation method which would peg (forgive the pun) SIAF at 0. This is equally inapplicable.

But SIAF is on a trajectory to have value recognized, as it executes. PEG can become a much more relevant measure with several years of meaningful growth above $100M revenues, and many more projected, and once the company is listed on a proper exchange with institutional interest.

It won't be there in May of 2014, imo, but will be on it's way. I agree with RD that the spin outs lend a huge boost to recognition of value. My complete guess is that PEG becomes more relevant in 2016 or so, but that the projected 3 - 5 year growth rate then will be in the 20% - 25% range. If it's still projected to grow 50% - 100% in the 2017 - 2021 years, watch out.

So, where on the trajectory will they be in May, 2014? Assuming the a dual listing, $1.00+ earnings, I would also go with "B."

Could easily be "C" if they've done the bond deal; graduated to a more senior Sweden exchange; attracted institutional and analyst interest; and pulled off the first spin out, putting $37.5M in the hands of both the corporate cash coffers and the shareholders.

Like to keep in mind that if the answer turns out to be A; say p/e of 3, that's still a 400% gain.

That's a sobering reminder that there's a lot of work and very major milestones to accomplish. They won't get them all done on time. But if history is a guide, they will get them done, with financials mostly on track.

It's also a reminder that there's very little risk in this company IF they execute even remotely to plan, and are on the up and up. The visit helps shore up the last thought. So, too, will be cash flowing.
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viking86

10/06/12 1:25 PM

#20064 RE: viking86 #20024

Preliminary tally of the May'14 PE votes show a perfect bell curve:

A: 1x (Traderfan)

B: 4x (Benoit1, Snow, Treit, Viking)

C: 1x (RealDutch)


Folks: Add color to your conviction and throw that dart. Nobody has a crystal ball, so nothing to lose here. I will do another tally by Wednesday 10PM. Have all a great weekend!


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mauiguy2

10/06/12 2:35 PM

#20069 RE: viking86 #20024

Viking, I'm going to play it conservatively with my guess. I'll say A. Even a PPS of 3.99 falls into your A category. Anything greater than a PPS of 4 will be VERY welcome in less than a 2 year period. I want to tone down my expectations and not expect too much.
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stolpen

10/06/12 5:03 PM

#20073 RE: viking86 #20024

I´d go with a B aswell between PE7 and PE8 i would believe, it will most likely be a rather unknown stock still and the dividends needs to be proven to raise valuation further i suspect.
A year or two later with dividends distributed several institutions will most likely start to absorb quite some.
Regards.
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Petrejus

10/07/12 12:31 PM

#20090 RE: viking86 #20024

Late in May 2014 we have recently received the results for 2013. EPS for 2013 should be around $1,40. Q1 -14 is also showing continued and strong growth.

The company has been listed a little more than a year at First North in Stockholm.

First North provided access to a larger and friendly investor base that showed more confidence in a fast growing Chinese food producer than the more suspicious Americans had done previously. This was reflected in the SP that rose steadily to +$2 which entitled to a listing at Amex as well.

Swedish investors have opened their eyes to discover a company that is paying dividends on an annual and regular basis, growing in a tremendous pace, has stopped the previous equity financing dilution by signing a bond offering with a Swedish bank, is getting "cash rich" and discussing plans to start a buy back program of shares.

And American and international investor are joining in. The Amex listing is providing access to the largest possible investor base, being a part of the largest stock exchange group in the world; NYSE Euronext.

In addition to this, the company is also communicating its plans to IPO one subsidiary every year during the coming ten years on Asian stock exchanges to make all the underlying values in the holding company as visible as possible, thus enhancing the value to a maximum. The shareholders will receive very generous dividends from the IPOs in addition to the regular annual dividend from operations.

As the company is not showing any signs of a slowing growth the coming two to three years, a p/e of 12 must be considered as a bad joke in this context.

However, that would mean going from $0,66 to $17 in 19 months (averaging an SP rise of $0,86/month) which does not seem probable. We may also need to consider that there may be delays in some areas.

Based on these very optimistic projections, my vote is on C: 8-12.
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Gothe

10/07/12 4:33 PM

#20118 RE: viking86 #20024

I vote for c.