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Zeev Hed

02/22/03 8:14 PM

#79210 RE: Bullwinkle #79208

To get the economy back on track, we really need two sectors to revive, business investment and end demand. Low interest rates have prevented the last recession from being severe (we also had a very wise single bolus of stimulus with uncles sam sending checks in the $300/$600 range to each family), that has worked, but not enough to create momentum. Making interest tax deductible will have only a "year end impact, no immediate money in your pocket and frankly, not much (I assume that non mortgage interest per family is let say $500/year, the average tax impact might be at best $150/family spread over). Right now the economy is suffering from a real tax due to crude being some 40% higher than normal, I would not be surprise that is equivalent to a $100 B tax increase on a yearly basis, something should compensate for that. As for the general consumer and its debt level, recent reports from the Fed indicate that debt service as a percentage of total disposable income is still well under 16% (the last number I saw was 13% well below other peaks in the last 20 years). I think it is high enough to assure that it will not increase much, but maybe not so high by itself to cause major retrenchment. Thus the "muddling around" for few years in the economy which I believe we will be engaged in. If, however, unemployment starts and pick up again and business delay indefinitely the renovation of its capital assets, then we may still get into another recession, I doubt a real recession (2 sequential quarters of negative growth) would start before late in 2004, if the war uncertainty is removed before the end of April. If that is further delayed, who knows. High crude by itself, for long enough could induce a recession.



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Captain_Jack

02/22/03 8:26 PM

#79212 RE: Bullwinkle #79208

Bullwinkle-- AAHHhhhhh,, you go back to the "old days" of deductable interest. I could agree with your proposal with the exception of credit card interest deductions,, why encourage the use of CCs? Those that have the greatest use of such a deduction are those that should have a $500/ 1 card limit.
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Joe Stocks

02/23/03 7:03 AM

#79242 RE: Bullwinkle #79208

>>This would put a bunch of money back into the pockets of average americans who would in turn put it back to work in the economy <<

The "average" American is still spending his head off. He doesn't know when to stop. The problem we have is not enough capital investment. Give all the tax breaks to the rich and the corporations so money will be used more wisely. J6P having a few more bucks for another round of new cars, wide screen TV's and fast food will not turn the economy around.

Tax write offs on car loans and credit card interest? I, as an equal taxpayer, am getting tired of subsidizing those that don't know how to manage their money. The home interest deduction is bad enough. A tax break on interest being paid to buy a new wide screen TV? Let's get real!

Double taxation on dividends? Think about what you are saying. I guy goes out and buys a piece of a business (a shareholder). His company makes a profit and the government taxes those profits. Then when the owner wants to take those profits that he earned and move them from the business account to his personal account the government taxes him again. How about just repealing the double taxation just because it is grossly inequitable. Now, do you really think that you should get a tax break on consumer debt over the guy that has invested in an American business and is being double taxed on his earnings?
Think if we remove that double taxation the guy might be willing to invest more in American businesses?

I say do away with corporate tax completely. They just pass it on to the consumer anyway in higher prices. If J6P saw how much is really being paid in taxes and not hidden in higher end user cost, then, maybe J6P would start paying a little bit more attention to those in Congress that keep spending away.

In closing, the American economy is toast for the most part. Taxes and such are part of it but it basically boils down to our demographics and cultural changes that have taken place over the last 50 years. These factors are irreversable. My recommendation to all those that are unfamiliar with the markets and can't read a 10K, is to get out of stocks and put all your money into treasuries and bonds. Not bond funds but the bonds themselves. Only investment grade at that. Most should probably just stick with treasuries. The bear market has legs and it's going to last for a long time. Of course I'm not talking about traders, but those that keep investing on hope.

JMO, Joe