Replies to post #6598 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[sarai]

Once again, you have mis-"interpretated" what I said and "selectively" responded. As you well know, my question was not a reference to numbers or public opinion, in general.... The question was specific to the view of most women?

Why is it that the overwhelming majority of woman (particularly those of "child-bearing age") favor the "right to choose" ("moral conscience", privacy - between dr & pt, etc) over the strict "pro-life" position? Why are the overwhelming majority of staunch pro-lifer's (overturn Roe v. Wade, etc) white males?..... Do you think that woman tend to be less moral, or of lesser moral conscience, or maybe selfish - when it come to the issue of abortion, in particular??... Or is it possible that woman view the ENTIRE issue from a completely different, and reasonable perspective? Could it be that woman have a deeper, more profound understanding of the whole issue? Regardless, this disconnect is VERY significant to the issue.... It's the heart of the issue.....

[sarai]

mlsoft, You know as well as I do that one could justify about anything using, interpreting, or citing the Bible, including loving and/or killing one's neighbor - which would seem to indicate the the Bible is essentially a guide for moral conscience. But I know you share a different view.....

Early in my college career, freshman or sophomore, I took an ethics or philosophy class (or something along those lines) and again, when Roe v. Wade was much younger..... We were assigned a project - to debate the abortion issue - using the Bible as basis for our position. We we're divied up into 2 factions, the "pros" and "cons".....

Altho the Bible commands specifically, "Tho Shall Not Kill", and there are passages that one could "interpret" as being against abortion, there's also a passage in there, somewhere, (New or Old - I don't recall) that refer to us as "garden keepers"... With "family" as the analogy for "garden", and the analogy was very reasonable, if I remember correctly....

The passage was reasonably interpreted by those assigned "pro-choice" to mean - God commands us to be "garden keepers", and not to over plant. Not to take on responsibility we could not handle. That our primary responsibility is to the family we have now, thereby saying it was not forbidden to terminate in order to care for the family you already have. Or something like that, but the argument was very effective.....

I don't if know if you know the passage to which I am referring. And if, to the "literalist", "garden" means tomato or pumpkin patch, specifically, the argument is irrelevant. I don't want to debate interpretation with you. The post is FYI.

PS, Then with "Tho Shalt Not Kill" the issue of when "life" or ensoulment begins becomes very relevant.... And we could debate that issue for as long as we've debated the Jesus issue, or longer.....

[Zeev Hed]

What if that future mothers go and gets themselves "back alley" abortions because safe abortions become no longer available, who takes responsibility for those lost souls?

Zeev