Replies to post #5270 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[sylvester80]

That's not how I read it. This is an Israeli commission:

The Kahan Commission found that Ariel Sharon, among other Israelis, had responsibility for the massacre, although it carefully sidestepped any accusation of direct involvement in the massacre and chose not to attempt to reconcile much of the contradictory testimony.

The commission's report stated in pertinent part:
"It is our view that responsibility is to be imputed to the Minister of Defence for having disregarded the danger of acts of vengeance and bloodshed by the Phalangists against the population of the refugee camps, and having failed to take this danger into account when he decided to have the Phalangists enter the camps.

In addition, responsibility is to be imputed to the Minister of Defence for not ordering appropriate measures for preventing or reducing the danger of massacre as a condition for the Phalangists' entry into the camps. These blunders constitute the non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged."

The Commission also concluded: "In his meeting with the Phalangist commanders, the Defence Minister made no attempt to point out to them the gravity of the danger that their men would commit acts of slaughter.... Had it become clear to the Defence Minister that no real supervision could be exercised over the Phalangist force that entered the camps with the IDF's assent, his duty would have been to prevent their entry. The usefulness of the Phalangists' entry into the camps was wholly disproportionate to the damange their entry could cause if it were uncontrolled." The Commission further noted: "We shall remark here that it is obstensibly puzzling that the Defence Minister did not in any way make the Prime Minister [Menachem Begin] privy to the decision on having the Phalangists enter the camps."

[Zeev Hed]

I think the case is quite clear, Sharon, to the extent that he had control, gave a direct order to avoid bloodshed, here is what one of the documents "against" Sharon cites:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,608171,00.html
"...among them Sharon's own complaint to Bashir Gemayel, minuted 10 weeks before the massacre, that "it is incumbent that we prevent several ugly things which have occurred - murders, rapes and stealing by some of your men". "

I would say this is a direct order, to the extent that indeed Sharon had "command control" (as claimed by the Belgian court), to prevent any massacre.


This is the only factual stuff in that article, the rest are innuendo, can't it be clearer It is incumbent to prevent ugly things (which have occurred in the past between Phalangists and Palestinians) like murders and rapes".

Sharon indirect culpability , as determined by Israel's supreme court is that he was supposed to know that his "orders" would be disobeyed.

Zeev