Replies to post #114459 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[hap0206]

I'm sure he has a few speeches scheduled for VA -- here are a few excerpts from his WV speech yesterday -- enough to give you heartburn
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...At this hour, our men and women in uniform are defending America against the threats of the 21st century. The war we are fighting came to our shores on September the 11th, 2001. After that day, I made a pledge to the American people, we will not wait to be attacked again. We will bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies.

Our enemies in this new war are men who celebrate murder, incite suicide and thirst for absolute power. They seek to spread their ideology of tyranny and oppression across the world. They seek to turn the Middle East into a haven for terror. They seek to drive America out of the region. These terrorists will not be stopped by negotiations, or concessions, or appeals to reason. In this war, there is only one option, and that is victory.

We are pursuing a comprehensive strategy to win the war on terror. We're taking the fight to the terrorists abroad so we do not have to face them here at home. We're denying our enemies sanctuary and making it clear that America will not tolerate regimes that harbor or support terrorists. And we're spreading freedom, because the terrorists know there is no room for them in a free and democratic Middle East.

By advancing the cause of liberty in a troubled part of the world, we will remove a source of instability and violence, and we will lay the foundation of peace for our children and our grandchildren.

Iraq is the latest battlefield in the war on terror. Our work there is difficult and dangerous because terrorists from across the region are converging on Iraq to fight the rise of democracy.

The images of cruelty and suffering we see on television are real, and they are difficult for our compassionate nation to watch. Yet, the terrorist violence has not brought them any closer to achieving their strategic objectives. The terrorists tried to intimidate the Iraqi Governing Council, and they failed. They tried to delay the transfer of sovereignty to Iraq, and they failed. They tried to stop the free Iraqi elections, and they failed. They continue to kill in the hope that they will break the resolve of the American people, but they will fail.

The lesson of this experience is clear, the terrorists can kill the innocent, but they cannot stop the advance of freedom. This January, the world watched as the Iraqi people defied intimidation, dipped their fingers in ink and cast their votes in the country's first free and democratic election in decades. And last week, on June the 28th, the free nation of Iraq marked the first anniversary of the day when sovereignty was restored to its rightful owners, the Iraqi people.

By helping Iraqis build a free and democratic nation, we will give strength to an ally in the war on terror, and we'll make America more secure. To continue building a free and democratic Iraq, Americans and Iraqis are fighting side-by-side to stop the terrorists and insurgents. And our military is helping to train Iraqi forces so they can defend their own liberty. Our strategy can be summed up this way: As Iraqis stand up, we will stand down, and then our troops can come home to a proud and grateful nation.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050704.html

[n4807g]

The notion that we needed to invade Iraq to secure oil is at best political, at worst a deception just as ridiculous as the current deception about Democracy coming to Iraq.

Since I was not privy to the National Security Council reports, nor the CIA, the FBI, or the volumes of overseas intellegence, I'll stick with the WMD reason.

In the one sentence many (not I) say the President is a fool (I'm using kind language), yet he managed to craft a plan (deceit) so complete that the Democrat's bought it hook, line and sinker????? If it is so selfevident that the premise was false (WMD) and there was a plan to deceive the American public and the opposing party, I would assume the Impeachment hearings would be under way?

As I've stated, many times, once it was apparent the WMD's weren't there we should have packed up and left Iraq.

And yes....we should strive to conserve energy, that's seems to be common sense. But as I take a look at "our culture", and our recent history, I'm not encouraged. They say the best leadership is done by example. When we look at our leader's consumption of fossil fuels, it's easy to see why many don't try to conserve.

Mind you, not an excuse, an observation.