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Alex G

06/27/05 7:03 PM

#112963 RE: gtober #112960

LOL!... Bush and the "conservative" movement

5/9/2005, posted by "true" conservatives:

The Republican promise of smaller, less-intrusive government is getting harder and harder to believe. Especially when a more plausible plot line is unfolding every day: that the GOP has put aside the ideals of Reagan and Goldwater in order to pursue a political strategy based on big spending.

When people break promises, they are known as liars. Why mince words?

Under Clinton, the Republican Congress ratcheted down the president's spending proposals year after year, according to the Cato report. But, under a united Republican government, Congress has ratcheted up Bush's spending proposals (larding them with pork) by about $91 billion from 2002-2005.

It's not always easy to see how radically Bush has transformed the GOP — from Reagan's admonition that "government is the problem" to Dubya's own assertion that "when somebody hurts, government has got to move." But it's a real transformation — and an expensive one.

Average Americans will eventually feel it in the taxes that will have to be raised to fund Bush's massive federal expansion.

Republicans who have stuck by the party's leadership mainly because of the War on Terror will begin to feel it in 2006 and 2008, when they realize that Big Government Conservatism is not a strategy or a philosophy — but a sellout.


No Screaming Eagle shit. The word is getting out- our conservative party ain't very conservative, unless it comes to the homos and abstinence training- then they're just nuts.


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ergo sum

06/27/05 7:16 PM

#112966 RE: gtober #112960

Enabling more pollution is a conservative value.
The difference as far as I am concerned is not larger government, both parties are for larger government. Conservatives are for larger deficits right now. They don't care about any kind of fiscal responsibility. They focus on the level of taxation and ignore the level of debt. If taxation had merely remained constant in the last 5 years there would be almost no added debt.

Conservatives pity the rich and hate the poor. They wish to enable corporate profits at the expense of labor and health and safety. The long course of people fighting for things like the FDA are not based on anything but social welfare. Even this is seen as evil by the conservative. Social welfare is by definition bad to the conservative mind. Conservatives want people to buy unregulated elixirs.

The list is endless. But essentially corporate welfare is a conservative value, even when that welfare creates hazards for the general population.



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Alex G

06/27/05 7:23 PM

#112969 RE: gtober #112960

actually, Bush is very Liberal

liberal with tax-payers hard earned dollars

liberal with the lives and limbs of America's sons and daughters... as well as innocent Iraqis

on the other hand, when it comes to coughing up some funds for vehicle and body armor to protect troops, he's very conservative

as for so-called moral values: when it comes to standing up for the average American citizen regarding healthcare, bankruptcy laws, and environmental protection for future generations, this administration is eager to sell out to corporate interests that benefit the select few... as the disparity of wealth continues to grow

what a incredible group of bald-faced hypocrites... but, obviously, there are plenty of hypocrites out there to support them


greatest American?... among the choices offered, i would have gone with Ben Franklin


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harrypothead

06/27/05 7:42 PM

#112974 RE: gtober #112960

"You will not accept that there is a completely different way of dealing with social issues than by establishing government departments and quotas."

"Faith based initiaves"?
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SoxFan

06/27/05 9:22 PM

#112993 RE: gtober #112960

I can't stop laughing! Please tell me again how Raygun lowered taxes? Of all the Presidents in all of history Raygun started spending and burdening the next generation with debt like no other until that time (excluding wars). Your understanding of what makes America great only extends to capitalism? So what program would conservatives have put forth for the elderly? So what program would conservatives supported to help minorities? Heck conservatives were against unions - what programs would conservatives put forward for a 40 hour work week? How about medical coverage?

Social conservatives are morally bankrupt. That you don't know or don't care that conservatives have opposed every program that has made America great does not surprise me. So when were conservatives going to pass civil rights? How about minimum wage? the 40 hour work week? Social Security has lifted more elderly from the despair of poverty since its inception and has been one of the single greatest program our government has instituted. That you don't understand that is not surprising. I guess it's true that conservatives are all about greed and selfishness and survival of the fittest or so they say.

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SoxFan

06/27/05 9:26 PM

#112995 RE: gtober #112960

Oh and one other thing - Raygun, Bush 1 & 2 have all expanded the size of government under their watch and guess who actually contracted the size of government? Also, the above three spent like drunken soldiers (of which I guess Bush 2 really was one) and never balanced the budget.

So please argue how Bush 2's tax cut for the wealthy was moral. I need another laugh.