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thetwomoores

09/22/11 3:05 PM

#58696 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

TYTN is not on the list but Zecco has started issuing that warning on most sub penny stocks now..I am currently transferring to etrade as we speak GL
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bsmitty

09/22/11 3:06 PM

#58697 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

TYTN is not on any list I can find that is subject to those fees. I would contact Zecco just to be safe but here is a list.

http://www.tradingdirect.com/Static/StandAlone/non_dtcc_list.pdf#zoom=80%

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noquit

09/22/11 3:09 PM

#58700 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

This will tell you why from a chat I had with someone from Zecco, and you can do a transfer to Scottrade or put out the question or on the Internet about which brokerage you can go to.

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=66888870&txt2find=zecco
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jojofla

09/22/11 3:32 PM

#58706 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

i placed a sell order and got the same warning- I called zecco and was told that tytn has paid their dtc fees and there would not be a penality for trading tytn stock
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Perfectstorm

09/22/11 3:44 PM

#58708 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

ZECCO is the problem. Others have experienced the same on other pinks. All of it has to do with ZECCO being in trouble with the SEC. Then they lie and point the finger at everything else. I know several who have bailed from ZECCO because it is them who is the problem and it's never ending.

As always
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kiote68

09/22/11 3:44 PM

#58710 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

USC, I think the problem is not so much Zecco as it is their clearing firm "Penson". I had a problem with my original broker that also used Penson and I have now switched to Fidelity where they clear their own. Staying long with TYTN
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Jbob

09/22/11 4:02 PM

#58714 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

Just did the same thing at zecco and mine said accepted. How long after did you recieve the notice? My one post.
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deer22

09/22/11 4:20 PM

#58717 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

Zecco is giving that warning to anything under a dollar now...if this were to become dtc ineligible then you would get charged those fees but I believe you have to call it in if that happens anyways...if you can place the order online you should be fine...I would however switch to another broker if you plan to keep trading pinkies...
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Z732Z

09/22/11 4:37 PM

#58720 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

Unfortunately you have to check the list before trades are made---Click on help on top right in Zecco window---click FORMS LIBRARY--Scroll down to KNOWN NON DTC ELIGBLE LIST and download---Hope it helps
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Diamond_Dog

09/22/11 5:02 PM

#58723 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

Well Cowboy I guess with that hanging over your head I'd
be changing my broker real quick. Personally I've been
using Schwab for the last 25 + years and they have been
changing their thought process the last few years towards
trading. I get very fast fills when the market is there
and the price of $8.95 per trade is acceptable to me. I
would say that there are a few down sides to their platform
being that they don't have good coverage on L2 for penny
stocks but their trading window does track transactions
live so it works for me.
If your one to need the play by play of all the MM with
pennystocks then Schwab isn't your best choice but it's
worked well for me the past ten years with online trading.

It does limit you to 999999 shares per transaction.

They have multiple versions of trading platforms available,
some have very good charting programs along with stock
scanners.

If you trade 30 transactions per quarter then there is
no charge for the L2.

There my one post for the day, hope that helps!

GO TYTN
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ChurchMouse

09/22/11 6:28 PM

#58727 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

now seems like a good time to post this.. I posted a similar article here a couple days ago, but it was deleted.. I think it's pertinent to those of you CONCERNED about your trades and PENSON brokers. If it gets deleted again... I tried.


Penson Statement: Important Notice to All Correspondents – New Low Priced Securities Deposit Policy

In recent months, the depositories (DTCC/NSCC) have exponentially increased the requirements associated with the trading of illiquid securities. Their rationale is based, in part, in the inherent volatility in the price of these securities in addition to the fact they are often very low in price. They are also concerned when a trade in an illiquid security is relatively large when compared to the security’s historical trading volume.

To date, Penson Financial Services, Inc. (PFSI) has allowed trading in illiquid and very low priced securities within certain prescribed guidelines in an effort to accommodate our correspondents. We have also, to a large degree, absorbed the substantial additional requirements associated with these trades, which have not been fully passed through to the correspondent.

Also, the regulatory community has recently become more focused on the deposits of physical certificates, particularly those that trade on the Pink Sheets or OTC Bulletin Board. The securities industry has experienced a significant spike in fraudulent transactions related to reduced valuations or non-existent or fraudulent transfer agent services for sub-penny securities. In addition, the potential for the use of these types of securities for money laundering or investor fraud are also of serious concern. As a result, the regulators have increased their scrutiny of transactions in these types of securities.
The combination of the deposit of a physical certificate and a subsequent trade in that security, which the depository has deemed to be illiquid, can result in exceptionally large requirements from the depository.

The risk deposit formula is based in part on liquidity and concentration and is also reflective of current regulatory and depository risk perspective of trading in low priced securities. In some cases, the deposit requirements exceed the value of the underlying trade by more than 100 times. For example, the depository requirement for one unsettled trade in an illiquid security done recently was $1.2 million, while the value of the underlying trade was less than $10,000.

After careful analysis and strong guidance from our regulators, and in response to the exorbitant additional requirements imposed by the depositories, we are modifying our policies to reflect a dramatically changed industry landscape.

Accordingly, effective immediately, PFSI has instituted the following changes to its securities processing policies.

PFSI will no longer accept deposits of equity securities traded on the Pink Sheet or OTC Bulletin Board markets priced below $0.10, to include but not limited to, utilizing the following methods of deposit:
1. Any form of Physical Certificate Deposit
a. Through the Penson SPS application (Securities Processing System)
b. Through the Transit System (TNST)
c. Via Mail
2. DWAC (Deposit/Withdrawal at Custodian)
3. DRS (Direct Registration Service)
4. ACAT Transfer of Restricted Stock -although, we will continue to accept deposits of certain low priced securities without any restrictive legend via ACAT, we reserve the right to reject any account that has a concentration of low priced securities (Penny Stocks).

To the extent that PFSI has received qualifying certificates that have not been processed, we will return those certificates to you immediately.

We are also reviewing ongoing trading activity in accounts with large, low priced securities positions, especially positions established by the deposit of certificates in some way. On a case-by-case basis, we may be restricting sale activity in such accounts, or even closing accounts when necessary.

PFSI recognizes that these new requirements pose certain challenges, however this decision is not negotiable. Our policy to cease processing deposits for these securities is an effort to reduce the exposure to both PFSI as well as its Introducing Broker-Dealers correspondents related to these securities.

To the extent you have questions, please contact your Relationship Manager for assistance.

Thank you,
Penson Financial Services, Inc.

Brokerages that use Penson as a clearinghouse - may not allow trading of certain pennies, or charge exorbitant fees

- eOption
- Firstrade
- Noble trading
- OptionsHouse
- Scottrade- can buy/sell MMTE, but cannot transfer in.
- Sogotrade
- SpeedTrader
- Thinkorswim
- Tradeking
- ZECCO
- Choicetrade


Brokerages that don't use Penson

- Fidelity
- TD Ameritrade
- E-Trade- can buy/sell MMTE, but cannot transfer in OTCs
- Interactive brokers
- Merrill Lynch
- Schwab
- Sharebuilder
- Vanguard
- WellsTrade
- USAA

www.onlinebrokerrev.com/2011/01/broker-clearing-firms.html
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Bachman11

09/22/11 8:34 PM

#58738 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

I use scottrade and am happy with them. The do charge a percent of the sale in addition to the trade fee for pinks. I also have to keep 25k in my account in order to jump in and out all day. Please think about taking some profit off the table on the swings and rebut on the dips. I hold a core position in a few pinks that was basically built off free shares because I rode the dips . Dont fall in love with a pink. Don't be scared of missing out on a run as long as you hold a core in reserve. Better to be late to the party than early to a funeral. Tytn is a fun stock to trade but be careful. Not pumping but there is also a certain private mortgage company that took a major dive a few weeks ago that is just begging to run again. I've made 10 % almost everyday trading it.. About 150 after commission. Not huge but I'm not greedy. Making money is making money in my book. Ultimately I would like to surprise my dad with a mini for his farm in Maine next year if all goes well. Anyone else plan on picking a tytn up in the future? Glta

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fink

09/23/11 8:19 AM

#58771 RE: USC Cowboy #58695

I think what you are saying is what is going on the past 3 months in the $SFIO screw job. Massive volume days where the entire free float traded hands in a 2 day period and all the vapor shares were exposed. One big massive screw job to the retail guy. Shares can not be accounted and the DTCC locked down the stock, but the stock still traded every day through nonDTC brokers. RBC of canadia has a grenn light where the big 3 Scott, e-trade and td waterhouse were chilled. And the otnber guys soon followed schwabs fidelity zeecos, ets.
It becomes a one for one type of trade, nothing automatic and fees do climb. If I could buy SFIO throug one I would load the boat. TYTN has no problems with the DTC today. Now throw down a few 250+mm tradeing days and things may get ciecey in here.
I'm also hearing talk of any stock suba dime will come under heavy scruitney with high volume day. More chills in the future and will result in more R/S to keep the pps above .10

All they have to do is disallow naked shorting in pinks and OTC. There really is no longer a need in today tradeing platforms.