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sylvester80

12/28/02 1:10 PM

#1480 RE: sarai #1476

Agreed.

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brainlessone

12/28/02 3:19 PM

#1501 RE: sarai #1476

it is not a vicious cycle. that is the element I reject, and all arguments which employ this technique are not useful.

Very carefully examine why you think it is a vicious cycle.

Then read Gertrude Bells diaries from 1919.

list what the stated goals of the "other side" are.
ask if they are desireable, possible, or worthy.