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Amaunet

05/17/05 10:20 AM

#3687 RE: Amaunet #3686

So the HT is supposedly aligned with the Uighurs of Northwest China and have pushed on to China's border.

I call this an attack in the making against China.

-Am

China has already protested the establishment of a Uighur Government-in-Exile in Washington and Beijing has repeatedly made it clear that it will not tolerate any political interference from abroad, where pro-independence Uighur organizations exist. This means us. It would seem we are orchestrating a riot in the Xinjiang province of China. Kyrgyzstan is one of the countries that borders the Xinjiang region.
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Why wouldn't Straw comment on the "opposition" - the Hizbut Tahrir (HT) - in the Andijan incidents? Tashkent has alleged that HT activists in the city communicated with "mentors" in Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan. Moreover, it is well-known that the HT's "headquarters" are in the United Kingdom. HT spokesmen appear routinely in the coffee shops of plush London hotels to give media interviews.
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Imankulov said he has obtained information indicating that members of different radical groups may be attempting to join forces in a single organization. He said groups like the IMU, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Uighur separatists, and Tajik and Kyrgyz Islamists are uniting, calling themselves the Islamic Movement of Central Asia. Under the guidance of the IMU, he said, the new group’s aim is to create an Islamic caliphate that will begin in Uzbekistan before expanding to Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan and moving on to the rest of Central Asia and northwest China.
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I though Iraq was complex....


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Ace Hanlon

05/17/05 11:03 AM

#3688 RE: Amaunet #3686

 

No Democracy for Uzbekistan? 

By Linda Heard 

Al-Jazeerah, Arab News, May 17, 2005

 

Uzbek soldiers shot dead up to 500 civilians in the town of Andjian, according to a host of eyewitness reports, but instead of condemning such excesses, a White House spokesman dismisses the dead as “Islamic terrorists” and suggests Uzbeks should seek democracy “through peaceful means...”

Britain’s Foreign Minister Jack Straw, on the other hand, has actually had the gumption to call the military crack down a human rights abuse. “The situation is very serious,” he said. “There has been a clear abuse of human rights, a lack of democracy and a lack of openness.” But when he was asked whether Britain would support opposition groups, Straw said: “It’s for the people to decide on a change of regime not outsiders.”

The double standards inherent in both the US and British positions over Uzbekistan are glaring in the extreme.

When the Taleban were ruling the roost in Afghanistan, the US both armed and funded a conglomeration of tribes calling themselves “the Northern Alliance”. And when it fell out with Saddam Hussein in 1991, it armed and encouraged both the Shiites and the Kurds to rise up and attempt an overthrow before marching off into the sunset and leaving both groups to their fate.

Furthermore, the US has actively encouraged pro-Western opposition groups in former Soviet bloc countries to revolt and during Condoleezza Rice’s visit to Russia last month she gave verbal support to groups waiting in the wings to launch a coup against the rulers of Belarus.

Indeed, she referred to the Belarus government “as the last dictatorship in Europe” and warned the country’s leaders that they “should know their behavior is being watched”, adding, “This is not a dark corner in which things can go unobserved, uncommented on.”

But when it comes to oil and gas-rich Uzbekistan, which has opened its doors to US bases and signed up to Bush’s “War on Terror” it’s an entirely different story. There, the Bush administration sees, hears and speaks no evil.

Britain’s stance is little better. When former British ambassador to Uzbekistan reported on civil liberties and human rights abuses in that country, he became a Foreign Office liability but once he saw fit to denounce Uzbekistan’s torture practices and tried to prevent M16 from acting on information gleaned from its victims, he was sacked under patently false pretexts.

Jack Straw may have had a change of heart since he was recently re-elected and for that he, surely, deserves our praise. On the other hand, he may be playing good cop to America’s bad. However, if he wants to retain even a shred of credibility, he should surely reflect before he opens his mouth. “It’s for the people to decide on a change of regime, not outsiders”. Eh?

What on earth does he imagine happened in Iraq? Perhaps Mr. Straw should re-read an April 4, 2003 statement on his own Labour Party’s website titled: “The future of Iraq”.

“This is not a war on Iraq,” it reads, “It is a war on Saddam and his regime...”

So let’s get this straight. From the American point of view the people’s overthrow of oppressive governments is commendable except when those governments are US allies working hard to do its bidding as is the case with Uzbekistan.

Reflecting a similar dichotomy is the British stance, which appears to be thus: “In the event a dictator is not an ally then we can contemplate invading on behalf of his downtrodden people. But if a dictator happens to be a friend, then his overthrow or otherwise is none of our business and the people should be left to get on with it”.

The fact is Western politicians who go around claiming the moral high ground wouldn’t recognize morality even if it jumped up and punched them in the eye. Their lips move entirely according to self-interest, pragmatism or a wish to pander to allies. Their beliefs are fluid and swing this way and that according to circumstances and so as to achieve goals they know will be unpopular with their respective publics, they won’t hesitate to exaggerate, cover up or lie through their teeth. That’s the sad reality my friends.

Take the US relationship with China, for example. There was a tremendous brouhaha over the Tiananmen Square incident when hundreds of anti-government demonstrators were killed and imprisoned, and rightly so, but when former President Bill Clinton began to woo the Chinese, the US government slapped a gag over its mouth. For years China’s human rights records were virtually binned but now that the EU wants to dismantle an arms embargo against China, its alleged human rights abuses are being once again spotlighted.

A sane person might wonder where countries responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq, thousands of Muslims incarcerated without charge or judicial process, ghost prisoners flown off to ghost facilities on ghost jets, not to mention Abu Ghraib and the virtual flattening of Fallujah get the chutzpah to bang on about the Chinese.

It’s a similar story when it comes to Russia and Chechnya. Russia supported the “war on terror” and Chechnya became a disposable commodity as far as the West was concerned.

What can an ordinary person do in the face of such despicable duplicity and prevarication? First, it’s important to remain personally aware. My advice is not to fear being called a cynic. Don’t believe everything you read or hear. Even a picture is no longer worth a thousand words.

Most importantly, search out news and snippets of information from various sources including the Internet before joining the dots to create a picture in your own mind.

Just last week Newsweek, a respected publication, wrote about the desecration of the Holy Qur’an at Guantanamo. The entire Muslim world is outraged, Muslim leaders lodge protests with the White House, demonstrators flood the streets from Cairo to Kabul, people die, when lo and behold, Newsweek’s editor blithely says: Sorry folks, we may have got that one wrong. Oh please! What about Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the Associated Press and a host of other bodies, which have earlier asserted those same allegations. Have they all made mistakes too?

There may hopefully come a day when politicians won’t find it so easy to pull the wool over people’s eyes and insult their intelligence using a sycophantic media as its No. 1 tool. It’s up to every one of us to ensure that day comes soon. For only then will every country in the world be held up to a similar standard, with justice available to all, rather than the province of the privileged few, as currently is the case.

Linda Heard, sierra12th@yahoo.co.uk 

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Amaunet

05/20/05 11:42 AM

#3763 RE: Amaunet #3686

Uzbekistan President makes a state visit to China
BEIJING. May 20. KAZINFORM. /Talgat Baimukhambetov/ -President of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov has been invited by Chinese Chairman Hu Jintao to pay a state visit to Beijing 25-27 May, official representative of the Chinese MFA Kun Tsuan announced at the Thursday briefing in Beijing. Its details were discussed during the working visit of Uzbekistani first deputy PM Rustam Azimov to Beijing.
As earlier reported by Kazinform, Beijing expressed satisfaction with stabilization of the situation in Andijan.

http://www.inform.kz/showarticle.php?lang=eng&id=123743;


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Amaunet

05/23/05 7:46 PM

#3823 RE: Amaunet #3686

Hizb-ut-Tahrir more active in Kyrgyzstan - police


This could be an indication that the London and therefore U.S. backed Hizb-ut-Tahrir was behind neighboring Uzbekistan’s revolt.

-Am

Hizb-ut-Tahrir more active in Kyrgyzstan - police


May 23 2005 1:59PM

BISHKEK. May 23 (Interfax) - The outlawed Hizb-ut-Tahrir party has become more active in Kyrgyzstan, a source in the Kyrgyz Interior Ministry press service told Interfax.

Four people were apprehended in Bishkek and northern and southern Kyrgyzstan last weekend for distributing Hizb-ut-Tahrir leaflets, he said.

"Over 100 leaflets were confiscated. Criminal proceedings were opened [on the charge of religious discord]," he said.

Meanwhile, acting first deputy prime minister Felix Kulov told the public on Sunday, "the previous administration of Kyrgyzstan did not have a clear plan of action for an efficient response to religious extremism."


http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11294954




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The HT is of concern in any analysis of the present Kyrgyz crisis, for several reasons. The anti-government propaganda of the HT might have had some contribution to the public uprising against the Akayev government. We must bear in mind that conditions in other Central Asian states are worse and public resentment is high against these governments. In fact, Akayev, the first president to face the wrath of the people, was relatively more liberal and responsive. HT activities in Kyrgyzstan are concentrated in the southern part of the country, in and around the Kyrgyz-controlled part of the Ferghana Valley. HT members are especially active in the Osh region and about 20 loyalists were arrested there in 2002.

In an interview given to the Jamestown Foundation in March 2004, Sadykzhan Kamuluddin (Kamalov), president of the Islamic Center of the Republic of Kyrgyzstan and former mufti and member of the Kyrgyzstan Supreme Council, asserted that Kyrgyzstan alone had about 2,000-3,000 members of the HT, suggesting that the HT was numerically strongest in Kyrgyzstan. He claimed that the government was unwittingly assisting the HT in its propaganda by imprisoning and persecuting members of the party. In fact, the head of the Committee of National Security in Kyrgyzstan stated in early 2004 that the HT was a prominent force in the struggle for power.

Apart from carrying out political agitation in the Kyrgyz state, the HT has also been accused of terrorist activities, although it has a stated agenda of non-violence. In November 2003, Kyrgyz State Security announced the capture of three HT members planning to blow up the US airbase at Manas. A number of Kyrgyz nationals have been caught as members of the HT with explosives in Russia. Bishkek authorities have also reported from time to time about developing links between the extremist organizations like the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) and the Islamic Movement of Turkestan (IMT) in Central Asia and the HT and between the East Turkistan Islamic Movement and other Uighur separatist groups and the HT.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?Message_id=6332510&txt2find=ht

Why wouldn't Straw comment on the "opposition" - the Hizbut Tahrir (HT) - in the Andijan incidents? Tashkent has alleged that HT activists in the city communicated with "mentors" in Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan. Moreover, it is well-known that the HT's "headquarters" are in the United Kingdom. HT spokesmen appear routinely in the coffee shops of plush London hotels to give media interviews.
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Amaunet

05/31/05 10:05 PM

#4003 RE: Amaunet #3686

China may or may not seriously consider sending troops to Kyrgyzstan.

The statement that China may “seriously consider” sending troops to Kyrgyzstan was made by Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao. As such it was probably made on purpose and not in error. This remark may be a fishing expedition for a response or a warning that if the U.S. and the U.S. backed terrorist group, HT, who are aligned with the Uighurs of the Xinjiang Autonomous Region make one more move its over.


Background:
A big part of the Grand Game is to surround, contain and break apart Russia and China. You can imagine how thrilled they are. To this end Bush has established a Uighur Government-in-Exile.

China has already protested the establishment of a Uighur Government-in-Exile in Washington and Beijing has repeatedly made it clear that it will not tolerate any political interference from abroad, where pro-independence Uighur organizations exist. This means us. It would seem we are orchestrating a riot in the Xinjiang province of China. Kyrgyzstan is one of the countries that borders the Xinjiang region.
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Uzbek President Islam Karimov blamed Islamic extremists for the uprising in Andijan, the ex-Soviet republic's fourth-largest city. He claimed that people from Kyrgyzstan were among the organizers of the violence in the city, where protesters stormed a prison and occupied the local government offices before government forces put down the uprising.
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The Hizbut Tehrir (HT) are being blamed.

In addition to influencing Afghanistan the anti-government propaganda of the HT might have had some contribution to the public uprising against the Akayev government in Kyrgyzstan. Hizbut Tehir began activism in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
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The Hizbut Tehir is stirring up revolution all the way to and including Kyrgyzstan.

China's main concern with Kyrgyzstan centers on China's own large and restive Muslim Turkic Uighur minority, which lives primarily in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region. That province makes up one-sixth of China's territory and borders on seven countries, including Kyrgyzstan, where the frontier is largely mountainous.
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Here’s the punch line. The Hizbut Tehir has supposedly aligned with the Uighurs.

China is being directly threatened by these uprisings. Make no mistake China will treat any attempt to break away the Xinjiang region in the same manner as Taiwan. This is a threat against China’s sovereignity.

While Bush obviously backs the Uighurs, given that the HT has become a real threat to the stability of the entire region in this instance he is also probably looking on in horror. He apparently has no control over the HT whereas he did have influence over certain Uighurs.

About 1 million Chinese troops are stationed in Xinjiang.
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In addition to the 1 million troops China is considering adding strengthen 2.5 million semi-military in Xinjiang.
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There is little hard and fast information as to the extent of organized opposition to Chinese rule within Xinjiang, but Beijing has repeatedly made it clear that it will not tolerate any political interference from abroad, where pro-independence Uighur organizations exist. Uighur separatists accuse the ruling Chinese of political, religious, and cultural repression.

Beijing is as worried about "splittism" in Xinjiang as it is about "splittism" in neighboring Tibet or "separatism" in Taiwan. The closing of the border trading station at Irkeshtam -- where Uighurs live on both sides of the frontier -- at peak trading season is probably intended as a warning to the Uighurs and the new authorities in Kyrgyzstan that Beijing will protect its interests. The politically motivated opening or closing of trading stations is a centuries-old tool of Chinese diplomacy.
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/3/50BB93C4-E5D0-4009-A01D-4646E5ADD5D7.html

Imankulov said he has obtained information indicating that members of different radical groups may be attempting to join forces in a single organization. He said groups like the IMU, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Uighur separatists, and Tajik and Kyrgyz Islamists are uniting, calling themselves the Islamic Movement of Central Asia. Under the guidance of the IMU, he said, the new group’s aim is to create an Islamic caliphate that will begin in Uzbekistan before expanding to Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan and moving on to the rest of Central Asia and northwest China.

-Am

China May Consider Sending Troops to Kyrgyzstan — Paper

Created: 31.05.2005 12:03 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 12:03 MSK, 17 hours 25 minutes ago

MosNews
China may “seriously consider” sending its troops to Kyrgyzstan, the Huaxia Shibao newspaper reported on Tuesday, citing Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao.

Kyrgyz acting president Kurmanbek Bakiyev said earlier this month that he would authorize the deployment of troops of the Russia-led Collective Security Treaty Organization, and those of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in his country, Chinese media have reported.

The announcement came following mass riots in Uzbek regions bordering Kyrgyzstan. The Uzbek authorities blamed the upheavals on Islamic extremists. Liu Jianchao underlined that so far China had never deployed its forces in other countries, the newspaper reported.

“Deployment of armed forces in the southern districts of Kyrgyzstan could prove useful for combating terrorism, separatism and extremism,” it quoted him as saying. However, China does not have this experience, he added.

So far the Chinese Foreign Ministry has not commented on the statement, the RIA-Novosti news agency said.

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization was set up in June 2001. The group includes Kazakhstan, China, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

The Collective Security Treaty was signed between Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Armenia in 1992.

The main goal of both organizations is to ensure security in Central Asia.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/05/31/chinkyrg.shtml


China not considering military presence in Kyrgyzstan

BEIJING. May 31 (Interfax-China) - The Chinese Foreign Ministry on Tuesday refuted a report by Huaxia Shibao newspaper that China is planning to discuss a military presence in south Kyrgyzstan together with other members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

In response to a question from Interfax, a ministry spokesman said: "As you know, the SCO has never considered the question of setting up military bases."

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?id_issue=11304473


No need to deploy new military base in Kyrgyzstan - head of the Collective Security Treaty Organization
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BISHKEK, May 31 (RIA Novosti, Yulia Orlova) - There is no need to deploy a military base in southern Kyrgyzstan, Secretary General of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSO) Nikolai Bordyuzha said on Tuesday. The CSTO comprises Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Armenia.

"I don't know why the base should be deployed," he said and explained that CSTO bases could not and would not be used in case of intrastate conflicts even if they posed a threat to regional security. "In such cases, strong and consolidated law enforcement agencies should act. There is no need for military bases," Bordyuzha said.

The United States and Russia each has a military base in Kyrgyzstan.

The developments in the Fergana valley on May 13are another proof of the need "to "einforce the CSTO political and law enforcement activities," he said.

On May 13, 2005, insurgents seized a prison and administrative buildings in Andizhan (Uzbekistan). Many people killed and wounded in the turmoil.

The acting foreign minister of Kyrgyzstan, Roza Otunbaeva, said on Tuesday that her country had never raised the question of housing additional foreign military bases, particularly, Chinese ones.

According to Otunbaeva, the Kyrgyz government "cannot see the territory of Kyrgyzstan as a congestion of foreign bases."

An official of the Chinese Foreign Ministry said that China may seriously consider sending its forces to southern Kyrgyzstan. "The deployment of forces in southern Kyrgyzstan may be useful in the fight against terrorism, separatism and extremism," he said. "China has no such experience," he added.

However, the official spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry said that China had never sent its troops abroad commenting on this issue at Bishkek's request.

Bordyuzha arrived in Bishkek on May 30. During the visit, he met with acting Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev and other top officials.

They focused on the upcoming CSTO summit in Moscow. According to Bordyuzha, "making a single list of terrorist organizations" will be a key issue on the summit's agenda. It should be recognized by all the CSTO members. It can be an "unprecedented decision" letting all the member states "put up joint resistance to these terrorist organizations," Bordyuzha said.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20050531/40450153.html