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Hanibal

03/30/11 1:18 AM

#134894 RE: kozuh #134893

Watch this and see if you can repeat the same thing without purposely lying to yourself:



If he can't speak without a teleprompter, then how do you explain him going to the Republican House Conference in January 2009 and kicking their ass for an hour and a half WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER???
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fuagf

03/30/11 8:21 AM

#134917 RE: kozuh #134893

kozuh, you a member of the 'religious right' and a fan of Alex Jones .. lolol .. how could we possibly agree on Obama's presidency?

So you think "he lied regularly while trying to get ObamaCare passed" do you.

Obama's way often on policy objectives and goals is to say 'I will', while some say 'I will do my very best to'.
Obama often couches goals, objectives, wants, as done deals. Didn't you watch the presidential campaign?

Sheeezzz, you have a cousin in the country, one Saturday you tell him you will be there at 12 noon. At 9am you hit a traffic jam since a truck had an accident because the driver had fallen asleep trying to keep to his employers greedy and dangerous schedule, which he gets away with because of Reagan deregulation. At 10am you get side-swiped by a fellow member of the religious right having an epiphany because he saw Jesus on the side of the road. At 12 noon you stop at a road-side cafe to call your cousin to say you haven't been able to get there on time and you are refused entry because you are white, and the proprietor, unlucky you, just happens to be a black guy who thinks Rand Paul has it right.

You roll up at 2pm and your cousin says, "You said you would be here two hours ago. You lied"

For 9am, 10am and 12 noon, think the 'we'll-get-Obama-on-healthcare' DeMint party of NONONONONO. The ultimate obstructionists.

Ooi, lol, where did you get the 'cobbled together' from? Thomas Miller, of the American Enterprise Institute? Rush
Limbaugh, who of course does not have to be as careful in what he says as any president. Or your buddy, Alex Jones?

Obama, no thanks to your conservative crew, has managed so far to get your country closer
to a universal healthcare situation which one day you will have. I am certain of that. One day.

Actually you and Obama are much alike in that you leave youself out on a limb sometimes by talking in terms of certainty.

I'm puzzled you didn't re our agreement or not on Obama's presidency. Actually, i see ..

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58579268

Obama has accomplished much.








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fuagf

03/30/11 8:28 AM

#134918 RE: kozuh #134893

kozuh .. Teleprompters, Persistence and A Defense of AIG FP

I wandered to find others who found the teleprompter attacks on President Obama as politically juddgemental and ill-founded as i did ..

Posted by Michael Scherer Wednesday, March 25, 2009 at 11:46 am
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1. My story on last night's press conference, "Obama's Persistent Presser: Message Accomplished," is here.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1887496,00.html

2. An employee from AIG FP speaks. .. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/opinion/25desantis.html?_r=1&ref=opinion .. And he has a point. As I have asked before, Where in the World is Joseph Cassano? He is, by most accounts, the guy who built the AIG bomb, while promising all the while .. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a6m_BOe9Ftk4&refer=news .. that it would never go off. And here we all are raging at the employees he left behind.

3. I don't really get all this gabbing about Obama and his teleprompter. Does anyone really doubt Obama's ability to speak cogently and in detail without notes, after winning three presidential debates and slaying just about every press availability he gets? So he likes reading from a screen and not a piece of paper. But this whole line of attack, promoted widely by conservative blogs, .. http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/obama_leans_on_teleprompter/ .. sort of baffles me. And does anyone stop to think about how all this back and forth is effecting the feelings of the computer that powers Obama's teleprompter? Well, I have, but that's only because I have been reading the teleprompter's blog .. http://baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com/ .. and Twitter feed .. http://twitter.com/BOTeleprompter .. .

4. After the jump, take a read of Obama's last answer at last night's presser, in which the president pivots seamlessly from a question about Israel to a big closing thought. Pretty masterful, me thinks, and the teleprompter did not help at all.

QUESTION: Mr. President, you came to office pledging to work for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. How realistic do you think those hopes are now, given the likelihood of a prime minister who is not fully signed up to a two-state solution and a foreign minister who has been accused of insulting Arabs?

OBAMA: It's not easier than it was, but I think it's just as necessary.

We don't yet know what the Israeli government is going to look like, and we don't yet know what the future shape of Palestinian leadership is going to be comprised of. What we do know is this: that the status quo is unsustainable, that it is critical for us to advance a two-state solution where Israelis and Palestinians can live side by side in their own states with peace and security.

And by assigning George Mitchell the task of working as special envoy, what we've signaled is that we're going to be serious from day one in trying to move the parties in a direction that acknowledges that reality.

How effective these negotiations may be, I think we're going to have to wait and see. But, you know, we -- we were here for St. Patrick's Day, and you'll recall that we had what had been previously sworn enemies celebrating here in this very room.

You know, leaders from the two sides of Northern Ireland that, you know, a couple of decades ago -- or even a decade ago -- people would have said could never achieve peace, and here they were, jointly appearing, and talking about their commitment, even in the face of violent provocation.

And what that tells me is that, if you stick to it, if you are persistent, then -- then these problems can be dealt with.

That whole philosophy of persistence, by the way, is one that I'm going to be emphasizing again and again in the months and years to come as long as I'm in this office. I'm a big believer in persistence.

I think that, when it comes to domestic affairs, if we keep on working at it, if we acknowledge that we make mistakes sometimes, and that we don't always have the right answer, and we're inheriting very knotty problems, that we can pass health care, we can find better solutions to our energy challenges, we can teach our children more effectively, we can deal with a very real budget crisis that is not fully dealt with in my -- in my budget at this point, but makes progress.

I think, when it comes to the banking system, you know, it was just a few days ago or weeks ago where people were certain that Secretary Geithner couldn't deliver a plan. Today, the headlines all look like, "Well, all right, there's a plan." And I'm sure there will be more criticism, and we'll have to make more adjustments, but we're moving in the right direction.

When it comes to Iran, you know, we did a video, sending a message to the Iranian people and the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran. And some people said, "Well, they did not immediately say that we're eliminating nuclear weapons and stop funding terrorism." Well, we didn't expect that. We expect that we're going to make steady progress on this front.

We haven't immediately eliminated the influence of lobbyists in Washington. We have not immediately eliminated wasteful pork projects. And we're not immediately going to get Middle East peace. We've been in office now a little over 60 days. What I am confident about is that we're moving in the right direction and that the decisions we're making are based on, how are we going to get this economy moving? How are we going to put Americans back to work? How are we going to make sure that our people are safe? And how are we going to create not just prosperity here, but work with other countries for global peace and prosperity?

And we are going to stay with it as long as I'm in this office, and I think that -- you look back four years from now, I think, hopefully, people will judge that body of work and say, "This is a big ocean liner. It's not a speedboat. It doesn't turn around immediately. But we're in a better -- better place because of the decisions that we made."

All right? Thank you, everybody.


http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/teleprompters-persistence-and-a-defense-of-aig-fp/
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fuagf

03/30/11 6:18 PM

#134954 RE: kozuh #134893

kozuh .. PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

.. and yet you go after Obama ..

In the spring of 2009, a Republican strategist settled on a brilliant and powerful attack line for President Barack Obama's ambitious plan to overhaul America's health insurance system. Frank Luntz, a consultant famous for his phraseology, urged GOP leaders to call it a "government takeover."

"Takeovers are like coups," Luntz wrote in a 28-page memo. "They both lead to dictators and a loss of freedom."

The line stuck. By the time the health care bill was headed toward passage in early 2010, Obama and congressional Democrats had sanded down their program, dropping the "public option" concept that was derided as too much government intrusion. The law passed in March, with new regulations, but no government-run plan.

But as Republicans smelled serious opportunity in the midterm elections, they didn't let facts get in the way of a great punchline. And few in the press challenged their frequent assertion that under Obama, the government was going to take over the health care industry.

PolitiFact editors and reporters have chosen "government takeover of health care" as the 2010 Lie of the Year. Uttered by dozens of politicians and pundits, it played an important role in shaping public opinion about the health care plan and was a significant factor in the Democrats' shellacking in the November elections.

Readers of PolitiFact, the St. Petersburg Times' independent fact-checking website, also chose it as the year's most significant falsehood by an overwhelming margin. (Their second-place choice was Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that Obama was going to spend $200 million a day on a trip to India, a falsity that still sprouts.)

By selecting "government takeover' as Lie of the Year, PolitiFact is not making a judgment on whether the health care law is good policy.

The phrase is simply not true.

Said Jonathan Oberlander, a professor of health policy at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill: "The label 'government takeover" has no basis in reality, but instead reflects a political dynamic where conservatives label any increase in government authority in health care as a 'takeover.' "

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/