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jwangatusa

03/04/11 10:41 AM

#21182 RE: Koufax #21173

Well, in the phone call, the analyst tell the girl to destroy any evidence even from QQ. And tell her he will do the same.

So, how do WM prove their innocent but just stupid? And when Herb say they may get tricked, they say they did a carefully check and it is public message.

So, how do you defend they have not intentional misled since they already told the girl to destroy all the evident?
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Newport1962a

03/04/11 10:46 AM

#21188 RE: Koufax #21173

My point exactly. See earlier post below in italics.

Other recent theory I've seen which makes some sense to me is : that Carson made a deal with some shady characters for 2 hit pieces. After his first piece (and all other hit pieces) was totally decimated by this board, he told them a second piece would have an opposite impact. They disagreed (and were greedy for more) and asked him to write it anyways. They threatened him (in their own way - guns and baseball bats) and, fearful for his life, he reluctantly agreed to write something, and the bogus tape is all that he could come up with. He knew it would be very weak and totally debunked within minutes, but he fulfilled his end of the bargain. (News for you, Carson, deals with the devil rarely end well)


From earlier post:

My guess is that this last report is almost entirely to try and exonerate MW from as much legal responsibility as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if they got some "informal" phone calls/information requests from regulators and/or lawyers and Carson Block is now trying to publicly distance himself from all the fabrication of evidence. He might be starting to feel the heat. Maybe his wife is starting to freak out.

I can see no other reason to release the phone call. The call in itself is extremely damaging to the short case, but it DOES introduce a third party (CCME saleswoman) that seemingly fed MW faulty bus lists. She tries to point to a "misunderstanding" in how to use those reports, which is probably what MW would want regulators or suitors to believe. No one can be sued for a good faith misunderstanding. Everyone gets off the hook when that happens, even though it resulted in a half a billion dollar market cap loss (sorry, says he!).

This supposed third party confirmation debunks the current view that Carson Block (on his wife's computer), made up the entire thing and attributes the blame to this "misunderstanding" between the "CCME source" and MW. This episode shifts the focus to this "mystery CCME saleswoman" away from MW and Carson Block. (IMO, he probably had someone call in and and fabricated the whole CCME woman thing as well, making this even more difficult to prove, but it does accomplish the task of moving the liability away from himself).

I know this sounds very convoluted, but I believe this is how these types of people think. They have to stay one step ahead of the game, always. And they don't just release such a stupid research report for no underlying reason. Not someone that engineered the whole Chinese New years, pre-earnings black-out period short attack. I don't believe that he is at the same time, both extremely crafty and supremely stupid. Doesn't make sense to me.
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UpstateChris

03/04/11 10:48 AM

#21191 RE: Koufax #21173

Can someone in China let us know what - or even IF there exists - the laws regarding wire taps?

In the U.S. if is based on state laws and a recorded conversation must be in accordance with the laws of the state in which both callers reside. For example, here is South Carolina only 1 party must be aware (in other words, a third party cannot record a call without anyone else knowing). If, however, I record a call with someone in say Florida (where both parties must be made aware) without telling them up front than I am in violation of the law. It gets confusing past that...especially with VOIP like Google Voice. Credit collectors, for example, generally get #'s with area codes local to the person calling to trick them into answering even though they are in a different state.

Anyhow, just curious is recording a call in China is no big deal, or if it is a capital offense.
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tenenbaum

03/04/11 10:52 AM

#21194 RE: Koufax #21173

How can that tape possibly be considered legal evidence? If I stab my neighbor, can I then tape a conversation between myself and someone who I pay to admit to the crime and then admit that tape as a defense?
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Traderfan

03/04/11 11:11 AM

#21206 RE: Koufax #21173

Correct me if I'm wrong but the first hit piece was way before the call on the vid apparently was. Or did you mean something different?

Is this tape a way for MW to claim that their first hit piece was made in good faith? If so, what are the weak points of that argument