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[hookrider]

rbl100:"Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Liberals LOVE warping minds so that the government has an excuse to CONTROL people."

That is funny as hell, when you consider I live in Texas where our Gov & Government is Tea Party. Take into a count the Texas School is Tea Bag conservative. All they want to do is "LOVE warping minds so that the government has an excuse to CONTROL people."

[PegnVA]

"so that the government has an excuse to CONTROL people" - Is that you Jared?

[ordinarydude]

"I would bet soup to nuts that JARED LOUGHNER played violent video games daily!"

Probably.

"... When is Congress going to BAN games that warp minds?"

...about the same time they'll ban music containing explicit lyrics.

"...Instead of a tool that has been around for 400 years?"

Such as a hammer, or a mallet, or a gun.....

"Ever heard of a school shooting before the 90's?"

Yes, I most certainly have.

"...How about during the 1950's when guns were laying on kitchen tables as common as a shovel?"

1. Back then parents used common sense and secured their firearms properly.

2. Since guns weren't readily accessible like they are today, folks used other "tools" at their disposal...such as baseball bats, billy clubs, and switchblades...to name a few.

"...The 90's is when psychotropic drugs/violent video games were introduced in mass quantities to children."

No, that trend actually begain in the 1980's. Ever play Frogger? Joust? Galaga? Gauntlet? Those games have roots in the 1980's.

"Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Liberals LOVE warping minds so that the government has an excuse to CONTROL people. A dysfunctional society opens the door for the government to say “well you people cannot control yourselves, so we will do it for you”… Sound familiar in history? Stalin, Mao, Hitler, maybe..."

1. Liberals (and conservatives) don't warp minds, people do.

2. The door to totalitarianism is opened when our rights are repealed right before our very eyes in lieu of safety, security and sensationalism.

3. Hitler didn't like those pesky Bolsheviks in Russia, rb1100. The purpose of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was to keep the larger enemy at bay while the Nazies were busy raping, killing and torturing people in Poland.

Ordinary

[fuagf]

rbl100, lol, most kids play some video games, eh, but you something i hadn't read it once, in all the articles about Loughner .. oh! .. there are a couple .. umm, ALL i see refer to ONE of Murdoch's WSJ .. anonymous alleged .. no solid evidence that he played videos more than he worked on cars .. did the WSJ mention he spent a lot of time fixing up cars? Lots of kids do that too, eh, guess you haven't, YET, read he did .. lol .. give it up.

"When is Congress going to BAN games that warp minds?" .. oops! .. REAGAN SAID THE SHOOTING GAMES
WERE FUTURE FIGHTER PLANE TRAINERS .. Reagan was responding to the kind of comment you just made ..

"Ever heard of a school shooting before the 90's?" .. WHA'??? .. you OK, rbl100? .. even i knew that .. see other replies for more ..

"So simple yet so avoided by libs..." .. Reagan thought they were a great idea! Can't
find another article except ones referenced to the WSJ. Mus be so me you have seen.

"Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Liberals LOVE warping minds so that the government
has an excuse to CONTROL people". .. abolish the Dept. of Education! .. YEAH!! ..

"A dysfunctional society opens the door for the government to say “well you people cannot control
yourselves, so we will do it for you”… Sound familiar in history? Stalin, Mao, Hitler, maybe..."

Anti Obama Baby Clothes Aprons and Bibs

Lemme see, yup, abuse of kids everywhere .. i'll bet more were bought by Republicans ..

hey! i remember ..

Israel is in a deep moral quagmire and to me only one solution is possible and just: to put Human and Civil Rights above Israeli/Jewish Rights. It is only by ridding ourselves from the narrow and blinkered view which puts us and our needs above all others that we can normality, morality and a sense of justice. To liberate ourselves and live in true freedom and peace we must adopt the idea of one democratic secular state for all its citizens, whoever they are. Copyright (2005) Hanna Braun .. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58323162&txt2find=hitler

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I heard Huckabee yelling how people with pre-existing conditions absolutely should have their health insurance canceled or at least have their rates go sky high so it would make it impossible for them to afford it. And the teabaggers were screaming with their support. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54582234

Stephanie -- it is crucial to understand and remember that Hitler and the Nazis took power from a minority position (the typical scenario where an authoritarian regime supplants a more democratic form of government) -- (items linked in) http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=13127379 and http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=24778873 and preceding and following .. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54575190&txt2find=hitler

See other reply to you for reference to doing up cars, strained relationships, beer,

"heavy metal band Slipknot and progressive rockers The Mars Volta, studied the form of meditative movement called tai chi, and watched and discussed movies ..

Loughner's favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as "Zeitgeist" and "Loose Change""

and other stuff you may not see on your sites ..

[fuagf]

Parents of Ariz. shooting suspect apologize AP

The media stakes out the home of Jared Loughner in Tucson, Ariz., Monday, Jan. 10, 2011. Loughner is accused of trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle G AP – The media stakes out the home of Jared Loughner in Tucson, Ariz., Monday, Jan. 10, 2011. Loughner is …

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By JUSTIN PRITCHARD, Associated Press Justin Pritchard, Associated Press – 28 mins ago

TUCSON, Ariz. – In his own way, Jared Loughner did try to fit in.

Before everything fell apart, the 22-year-old went through the motions as many young men do nowadays: Living at home with his parents, working low-wage jobs at big brand stores and volunteering time doing things he liked.

None of it worked.

His relationship with his parents was strained. He clashed with co-workers and police. And he couldn't follow the rules at an animal shelter where he spent some time.

Now, he could be facing death. He is accused of trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, killing six people and injuring 13 others in a weekend shooting rampage in Tucson.

And for all of it, his parents, silent and holed up in their home, apologized Tuesday.

"There are no words that can possibly express how we feel," they wrote in a statement handed to reporters waiting outside their house. "We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better. We don't understand why this happened.

"We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss."

The apparent target of the shooting spree, Giffords, 40, was able to breathe on her own Tuesday at an intensive care unit here, another hopeful sign of her progress, doctors said.

Meanwhile, the southern Arizona city shattered by the rampage prepared for an evening memorial service and a visit from President Barack Obama on Wednesday.

The details of Loughner's life emerged in interviews with people who knew his family and co-workers. Some said his relationship with his parents was strained.

One close high school friend who requested anonymity to avoid the publicity surrounding the case said he would wait outside 10 minutes for Jared to leave the house when they were going out.

When Jared would get into the car, he'd say that it took so long because his parents were hassling him.

The parents of another close friend recalled how Loughner's parents showed up at their doorstep in 2008 looking for their son, who had left home about a week before and broken off contact.

While the friend, Zach Osler, didn't want to talk with The Associated Press, his parents Roxanne and George Osler IV did.

With the Loughners at their house, Zach Osler told them the name of the local hotel where their only child was staying, Zach's father said. Jared moved back in, he said.

After that, Osler's dad sometimes would see Mrs. Loughner at the local supermarket, though they didn't chat much. He recalled that every time he saw her she had at least one 30-pack of beer in her cart.

Loughner, now 22, would come over several times a week from 2007 to 2008, the Oslers said.

The boys listened to the heavy metal band Slipknot and progressive rockers The Mars Volta, studied the form of meditative movement called tai chi, and watched and discussed movies.

Loughner's favorites included little-known conspiracy theory documentaries such as "Zeitgeist" and "Loose Change" as well as bigger studio productions with cult followings and themes of brainwashing, science fiction and altered states of consciousness, including "Donnie Darko" and "A Scanner Darkly."

Even in small talk, he struck the Oslers as unusual.

"He always said, 'Hi, Mrs. Osler. How are you today?' When he left he made a point of coming over and saying, 'Thank you for having me over,'" said Roxanne Osler, noting that was not typical for Zach's friends. "Jared struck me as a young man who craved attention and acceptance."

Once he shared with the Oslers a short story he had written about a reporter meeting an angel during the apocalypse.

George Osler IV read it, thought it was well written, but couldn't identify the point.

"He seemed like he was kind of offended that I didn't get the message," George Osler said.

Meanwhile, the unfailingly polite kid they knew was getting into trouble.

Loughner was arrested in October 2008 on a vandalism charge near Tucson after admitting that he vandalized a road sign with a magic marker, scrawling the letters "C" and "X" in a reference to what he said was Christianity.

The police report said Loughner admitted to other acts of vandalism in the area.

The case was ultimately dismissed after he paid a $500 fine and completed a diversion program.

Even when Loughner tried to do good, it didn't work out.

A year ago, he volunteered walking adoptable dogs at the county animal shelter, said Kim Janes, manager of the Pima Animal Care Center. He liked dogs; neighbors remember him as the kid they would see walking his own.

At the shelter, staff became concerned: He was allowing dogs to play in an area that was being disinfected after one had contracted a potentially deadly disease, the parvovirus.

"He didn't think the disease was that threatening and when we tried to explain how dangerous some of the diseases are. He didn't get it," Janes said.

He wouldn't agree to keep dogs from the restricted area, and was asked to come back when he would. He never returned.

Loughner also jumped from paid job to job because he couldn't get along with co-workers, according to the close high school friend who requested anonymity. Employers included a Quiznos sandwich shop and Banana Republic, the friend said.

On his application at the animal shelter, he listed customer service work at Eddie Bauer.

Loughner grew up on an unremarkable Tucson block of low-slung homes with palm trees and cactus gardens out front. Fittingly, it's called Soledad Avenue — Spanish for solitude.

Solitude found Loughner, even when he tried to escape it. He had buddies but always fell out of touch, typically severing the friendship with a text message. Zach Osler was one such friend.

Loughner's father moved into the house as a bachelor, and eventually got married, longtime next-door neighbor George Gayan said. Property records show Randy Loughner has lived there since 1977.

Gayan said he and Randy Loughner had "differences of opinion but nothing where it was radical or violent." He declined to provide specifics. "As time went on, they indicated they wanted privacy," Gayan said.

Unlike other homes on the block, the Loughners' is obscured by plants. It was assessed in 2010 at $137,842.

Randy LoughNer apparently has not worked for years — at least outside his home. He did fix up cars. Gayan said he had three "show cars" and two of Jared Lougher's friends said he bought a junker '69 orange Chevrolet Nova and made it pristine.

Amy Loughner got a job with the county parks and recreation department just before Jared was born, and since at least 2002 has been the supervisor for Roy P. Drachman Agua Caliente Park on the outskirts of the city. She earns $25.70 an hour, according to Gwyn Hatcher, Pima County's human resources director.

"She's worked hard, done a good job of keeping it looking good," said Charles Ford, a former Tucson City Council member who is a board member of Friends of Agua Caliente Park.

Linda McKinley, 62, has lived down the street from the Loughner family for decades and said the parents could not be nicer — but that she had misgivings about Jared as he got older.

"As a parent, my heart aches for them," she said.

She added that when she was outside watering her plants she would see Jared riding down the street on his bike, often talking to himself or yelling out randomly to no one.

Once he yelled to some children on the street: "I'm coming to get you!" McKinley said.

Associated Press writers Amanda Lee Myers and Alicia Chang in Tucson, Christy Lemire in
Los Angeles and news researcher Julie Reed in Charlotte, N.C., contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110111/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot

[sortagreen]

"I would bet soup to nuts that JARED LOUGHNER played violent video games daily!"

By your logic, Japanese kids should be creating absolute mayhem in their society.


"When is Congress going to BAN games that warp minds?"

Which part of the Constitution will you be citing as authority for creating such a ban?


"How about during the 1950's when guns were laying on kitchen tables as common as a shovel?"

I don't recall having seen a lot of guns on the table as a young man. Don't recall any in the Norman Rockwell paintings I've seen either.

But neither her nor there. The Constitution says you can have one. So can I. So can Loughner. So can any crack head or ex felon on the block. As I read it, that's what "shall not be infringed" means.

What are your thoughts on that.