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12/29/10 12:14 AM

#16242 RE: bigcue #16240

I went back and read all the posts that you mentioned and thanks to you and DannyD for some great research. I tend to think that DisplayTek was just some figment in Hilal's imagination when he was thinking he had the holy graille of ceramic production and then found the competition wasnt far behind. But then again, I thought there was just Cetek Technologies and no Cetek Inc, at least of any consequence.

But my puropose in doing the research I've done was prompted by my thought that the value of my Cetek shares, even the batch I bought at .0001 two years ago was zero, nada, zip. The company could be in bankruptcy, and wouldnt be trading any lower than it currently does. Yet, here is a company that has been in business for 20 plus years and acquired two companies Hybrid-Tek and Belanger along the way, seems to consistently employ around 35 people, and from time to time pops up on the bleeding edge of technology, as occurred in the Wilson Turbo project, and now in 2010 on the LANSCE Harp Upgrade project. You dont get get a contract with a governmental agency on a high tech project unless they're convinced you're financially stable and capable of delivering the goods.

So it seems to me that we have a company that produces high tech high quality products that have given the company a good reputation in the ceramics industry. Since there has been no dilution in over three years, it appears, the company is generating enough revenue to pay for what is probably a $2 million dollar a year payroll, and yet the CEO is content to let shareholders suffer through a share price that assumes bankruptcy and that the land and all the expensive equipment is worthless.

I felt for some time that maybe he wanted the share price low so he could buy a bunch of shares back for next to nothing, but that doesn't appear to be happening. While there are occasional bursts of buying in the stock, it is random and does not follow the strict guidelines the SEC requires for a share buyback. So the silence and bankrupt share price seem to serve no purpose at all.

But Hilal is 70 years old and does have a heart condition, so DannyD is probably right that before too much longer, he will have to think about getting his ducks in a row if he's going to get any of the bigger money potential out of the stock.

But as long as we're stuck in the stock, it's nice to know that Hilal is delivering on some of the business promise of the Cetek process and that there's great potential for the shareholders from here if the company is sold or if Hilal comes to his senses and starts buying back shares or providing public information on projects like the Lansce Harp project. Or better yet, he produces some audited financials.
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WhatsCookin

12/31/10 2:52 AM

#16249 RE: bigcue #16240

Bigcue, I agree with you that we can't rely on just the Hoover reporting for revenue and employee estimates. However, at this time, I am finding that the Manta database of companies is reporting the same information for both Cetek Inc and Cetek Technologies as Hoovers, and even has a revenue estimate of 10-20 million. I will err on the conservative side and say that 10 million is believable after looking at the revenue growth in that 15c2-11 all those years ago. And as far as employees I'm pretty certain that Hybrid-Tek has maintained roughly 12 employees, and according to one of Hilal's secretaries that quit from a couple years back, she told me they had 21 employees at Cetek at that time. Also, the Manta link shows the years in business as 21, so that information is current, given that Cetek was started in 1989. I would assume that both Hoovers and Manta have access to the corporate tax records or other public records in Dutchess county or the State of New York to publish these numbers.

So here is the link to the Manta database for Cetek Inc: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Y9zrn-pmx04J:www.manta.com/c/mmy4q21/cetek+%22Revenue+%22+%22cetek+Inc%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us and here is the Manta link for Cetek Technologies: http://www.manta.com/c/mt1lfgx/cetek-technologies-inc Here is the Hoovers' link showing the rank of Cetek Inc and Cetek Technologies as manufacturers in Poughkeepsie and you can access the individual information by clicking on the Cetek links: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bfKbkGZKY4MJ:www.hoovers.com/companyindex/New_York/Poughkeepsie/Manufacturing-1.html+Cetek+Technologies+New+york+taxes+paid&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Finally, I ran across one additonal link which I found interesting from a couple of perspectives. It is the SEC 8-k and accompanying exhibits that were filed regarding the bankruptcy of TVI Corp on July 1, 2009. Now you may ask what this has to do with Cetek? Well, here's the link http://www.secinfo.com/d11MXs.s18ew.a.htm?Find=cetek&Line=13654#Line13654 (Its on document 5 Exhibit 99.4 Page 5 or just use the find with "Cetek") and it turns out that one of the subsidiaries of TVI Corp called Safety Tech International had an account receivable at that time with none other than Cetek Inc, not Cetek Technologies, for $4,840.20. Here's the link to their webpage: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dQ-1FROG8SwJ:www.safetytechint.com/services.php+safety+tech+international&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Apparently, Hilal purchases air purifying respiratory equipment for use in his manufacturing facility. Besides the fact that the receivable is recorded as owed to Cetek Inc, I thought it was noteworthy that Hilal was purchasing some relatively expensive equipment for his workers. Heck, you could buy back $48,402,000 shares with that money. Even 20 cents buys back 2000 shares...lol

Bigcue, I sure as heck don't understand why there is a Cetek Inc and Cetek Technologies, and why Cetek Inc is apparently incorporated in New york. But the fact that they are listed under the same address makes me feel that it is little more than an accounting gimmick that Hilal is using, probably for tax purposes. So unless you have some further thoughts, I see nothing nefarious where he would be trying to funnel all of the profits away from the shareholders in Cetek Technologies. The biggest problem I'm seeing with it is that it makes the Google searches more complicated and that there is another small Cetek Inc in Iowa, which you have to filter out of the searches.