Thanks for the reply, but I am not as concerned about losing money in Vitra as I am about wasting time with it. I have eight stocks of this kind (penny stocks) in the speculative part of my portfolio because it takes only one hit to wipe out all potential losses in the others. I have been doing this for a little over three decades and am still well ahead of the game. One example is Vtss bought at 8.625 and sold at a little over 130. When I make a good profit I only reinvest about 40% or less in speculative stocks. The rest goes into something much safer. This way I can always stay ahead. Kelly made me anxious when he talked about life changing announcements.