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Burk

02/12/05 2:08 AM

#358017 RE: langostino #358012

Well, the secular bear should take care of a lot of these "perceived" excesses. By the time it's over, noone will want to buy stocks.

I don't necessarily subscribe to the implication that we just "buck up" and become as liberal as most of Europe. I don't think the answer lies in becoming more socialistic. That hasn't worked well for a lot of Europe or the Soviet Union.
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Newly2b

02/12/05 11:15 AM

#358064 RE: langostino #358012

OT

Government is merely a reflection of the values of the people who create it. The population of a country becomes morally debased before their currency does. The currency of Rome was not debased by those who built the Roman empire, but by those who came after, who reveled in the affluence created by their forebears, and were thus lulled into a hedonistic state as consumers of wealth, rather than creators of wealth (sound familiar?). While there were brief periods of a return to the glory of yesteryear, ultimately and inevitably this led to Rome's twilight years and ultimate demise.

During times of hardship the best in people rises to the surface, as we saw so vividly on 9/11. Even the best of all forms of art are created during "hard" times, because a life of ease stifles the creative impulse. Affluence is comfortable, but the price of comfort is high in terms of what must be foregone to achieve it. And once achieved, affluence supresses much that is good in people, because it makes life so easy that one grows lazy and stops tackling the hard issues, planting the seeds that ultimately destroy affluence (read Arthur Clarke's "The City and The Stars" for an illustration of how everything is temporary and contains the seeds of its own ultimate destruction).

Like the stockmarket, nothing goes straight up or straight down, and nothing lasts forever; everything continues, cycles within cycles, within cycles. And just as the largest rises in the stockmarket are followed by the greatest declines, the biggest problems require the harshest corrective measures. If this country and its people are to regain their fiscal, moral and social equilibrium and recapture their place of honor and respect in this world, perhaps another Great Depression is just what the doctor ordered. Like a toothache, the cure is often more painful than the problem, but necessary for a return to health. Not to be wished for, but realistically speaking, there is no free ride in life, and we have yet to pay the piper for our temporary indulgence in irrational exuberance -- no pain, no gain.

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Fred Langford

02/12/05 12:17 PM

#358081 RE: langostino #358012

The conservatives are right, we've got a moral decay that's eating America from the inside. But it doesn't have a damn thing to do with their singular obsession with sex or sexuality, or Jerry Falwell's narrow-minded politics. It's got to do with the pursuit of material consumption, the celebration of "winning" over honor - by any means necessary. And all of the rationalizations that come with it.

Brilliant post!

Fred


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pantera

02/14/05 2:33 AM

#358320 RE: langostino #358012

"Instead of doing the self-indulgent thing and assuming this change is the result of the other guy having somehow failed, we should be looking inward. Our greatest enemy is the one within. And the biggest threat to our greatness doesn't come from outside our border."

Excellent post Lango!

What would happen if we lost some power grids for a couple of weeks across our country? Talk about an implosion of our self-indulgent society!