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He, the Iman, asserted that shirah law was equal to our founding documents

And Sarah Palin believes that we should add Deuteronomy and all the biblical book of laws to the Constitution.

But thankfully, the founding fathers wrote the Constitution to be a fully secular set of legislative principles, so there's nothing to fear from the Iman or from Sarah.

Which brings me to the fundamental question: why should the Iman's religious beliefs cause people to want to prevent him from building a place of worship ON PROPERTY THAT HE OWNS?

(want me to post the recent stonings in Iran and afgahanistan)

Only if you can show me that the Iman is part of the crowd casting the stones. I understand why people are disgusted by some of the practices of Middle Eastern Islamic extremists. I am disgusted by the practices of Middle Eastern Islamic extremists.

But you would be as guilty as they are if you are going to assume that every Muslim person is going to behave in the same way that the extremists do, and treat them differently because you think so.

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He, the Iman, asserted that shirah law was equal to our founding documents

He is Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and this is what he said.

What Shariah Law Is All About

We hear a lot about "firebrand" Muslim clerics calling for the installation of Shariah law. It conjures images of women being stoned and forced into hiding behind burkas and denied educations. We think of beheadings and amputations as a form of justice. And we cringe.

But it is important that we understand what is meant by Shariah law. Islamic law is about God's law, and it is not that far from what we read in the Declaration of Independence about "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God." The Declaration says "men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

At the core of Shariah law are God's commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

Where there is a conflict, it is not with Shariah law itself but more often with the way the penal code is sometimes applied. Some aspects of this penal code and its laws pertaining to women flow out of the cultural context. The religious imperative is about justice and fairness. If you strive for justice and fairness in the penal code, then you are in keeping with moral imperative of the Shariah.

In America, we have a Constitution that created a three-branch form of government - legislative, executive and judiciary. The role of the judiciary is to ensure that the other two branches comply with the Constitution. What Muslims want is a judiciary that ensures that the laws are not in conflict with the Quran and the Hadith. Just as the Constitution has gone through interpretations, so does Shariah law.

The two pieces of unfinished business in Muslim countries are to revise the penal code so that it is responsive to modern realities and to ensure that the balance between the three branches of government is not out of kilter.

Rather than fear Shariah law, we should understand what it actually is. Then we can encourage Muslim countries to make the changes that achieve the essence of fairness and justice that are at the root of Islam.

Surely you remember our struggles here ..the struggles which we had in making sure that our laws were applied to all ! Yes! to Black people to women AND hopefully you remember that both groups of people were hung, beaten killed without justice ..we worked these issues out, but it was a long time before we accomplished applying the law for all the people here. Currently there is an ongoing struggle to make sure the laws apply to another group that has been denied the benefits of our laws ..Gay people.

Some Muslim countries are emerging nations ..we must allow them the same learning experiences that ALL countries and most assuredly ourselves experienced ..


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/what-shariah-law-is-all-a_b_190825.html

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