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07/23/10 12:38 PM

#17762 RE: Ecomike #17759

I thought we were talking about STEAM turbines - how does
"I don't see any piston engines on commercial airliner" have to do with anything???

And I agreed with you- that in a tight band of constraints a very large steam turbine will be more efficient but only if you stay within those constraints.

I have 12 ICE's because - I heat my house with wood, I have a large garden, I have back up power generation, and I run a small furniture business. And I love everything about all of it except buying fossil fuels.

To get information look for information - call or visit Cyclone - but do yourself a favor and read up a little first.
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Cee-It

07/24/10 11:42 PM

#17768 RE: Ecomike #17759

The reason it is not a turbine has everything to do with starting and stopping. Turbines are efficient for continuous run at fairly continuous speed. Steam turbines are efficient because they more fully extract the energy from the steam and leave it in a condensed state. Then it is reheated in stages. None of that is applicable to a small system for frequent start and stop requirements. Startup of a turbine is a time driven process before it can handle a load. The startup torque of this engine is significant and highly beneficial; hence the transmission is a neglible part.

Now, a question: Why aren't you seriously studying this the way a serious engineer would instead of hoping to sound negative?
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Buenijo

07/25/10 3:47 PM

#17773 RE: Ecomike #17759

Ecomike, I addressed some of these topics in the other post, but I'm expanding on it here. It is true that piston engines are cheaper to build. But it's particularly difficult (and expensive) to make a small turbine that is also highly efficient. Below a power rating of about 1000 hp a piston steam engine can be economically viable. A well-designed piston steam engine in the low to medium power ratings will not only have lower up front costs, but can also see lower long term operating costs.

There are very few piston steam engines being manufactured today. There are a couple of companies in Germany that I know of, one in Brazil, and one in Australia that is soon to be available. In each case oil lubrication is not used. What sets the Cyclone engines apart from the others is primarily the extremely compact and lightweight design. This breakthrough makes it possible for piston steam engines to compete directly with internal combustion engines. Without this advancement the piston steam engine would remain relegated to obscure niche applications.

It's reasonable to be leery about the claims surrounding the Cyclone engines. After all, they are an unproven technology. But it seems unreasonable (to me) for one to conclude that any engine meeting these claims would not be successful in the market place. Will the Cyclone engines work as designed?... only time will tell for certain.