Replies to post #51824 on Plastic2Oil Inc (PTOI)

[Estimated_Prophet]

Hey, another byproduct of waste plastic JBI can sell.

[PaperProphet]

Re<"You forgot to include the New York Department of Environmental Conservation who is in on the scam.">

A stack test and permit do not prove or disprove that Mr. Bordynuik's old tyme pyrolysis oil can be sold as crude oil. Financials don't either. Neither does the permit. You can muddie the waters all you want but it won't make a difference.

And for your sarcastic remark about oxygen, it doesn't just leave the plastic as O2 and go into the atmosphere during pyrolysis like you suggest. You get a mix of all sorts of oxygenated compounds (-COOH, carbonyl, aldehyde, etc...) in the oil that plagues pyrolysis for everybody trying to make it for any commercially-viable use.

The way around this would be to use hydrocarbon-only plastics but then that's more expensive than crude oil. If hydrocarbon-only plastics were cheap, nobody would have a problem and everybody who has gone before Mr. Bordynuik would already be doing it. That's the direction Mr. Bordynuik suggested he is heading with his barfed up reply. If he is serious then he will find that his magical catalyst is worthless since any catalyst would work.

It's an important point. If you are having trouble understanding this, we can discuss it further. I will certainly discuss it.

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[MorningLightMountain]

Rawnoc, it takes a lot of extra energy to free oxygen into it's gaseous form, breaking the bonds of molecules, and that must come from somewhere.....

this is basic chemistry and thermodynamics.....when you burn something, it combines with oxygen, releasing energy.....it will take at least the same amount to free it in the reverse reaction (think of this as "un-burning, if you like, to get an idea of the energy needed).....

and this is just on paper, theory...accomplishing it for real with decent efficiency and economy is no small feat.....I doubt P2O also does this too with energy to spare....

PS: I don't know where the idea came from that P2O will produce gaseous oxygen and vent it, never saw the Co state that......

Hopefully there won't be too much oxygen though, I agree, pouring into the air outside. Just think what could happen if somebody breathes some of that stuff in? The last time I saw a dude take in too much oxygen he was at the bottom of a lake with scuba gear on. Scary stuff.