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04/29/10 4:29 PM

#97974 RE: wbmw #97962

wbmw, me neither. You have greater insight. So far i only have, on the five
states they suggest are in danger of losing out because of a poor census turnout ..

Control .. State House .. State Senate .. Governor
Fla. ........... R ...................... R ............... R
Ari. ........... R ...................... R ............... R
Texas ........ R ...................... R ............... R
N.Y. .......... D ...................... D ............... D
*Cal. ......... D ...................... D ............... R

* ? i gather .. assuming Assembly = House?? for now.

A kind of aside here, maybe not .. on the question of gerrymandering in the US .. the first one i see
is this http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/the-latest/gerrymandering/5013208.article .. i don't know if
it is slanted or not .. at a glance California is mentioned a bit .. this bit doesn't make sense to me now ..

"According to Reichert’s snappy, engaging documentary, the US is
the only country in the West where it is done for political reasons.
"

as isn't Australia in the West? Hmmm, .. ok ..

"Some countries, such as the UK and Canada, authorize non-partisan organizations to set constituency boundaries in an attempt to prevent gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is most common in countries where elected politicians are responsible for defining constituency boundaries. They have obvious self interest in determining boundaries to their and their party's interest."

Gerrymandering should not be confused with malapportionment, .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_(politics)#Malapportionment .. whereby the number of eligible voters per elected representative can vary widely. Nevertheless the ~mander suffix has been applied to particular malapportionments, such as the "Playmander" .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmander .. in South Australia .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australia .. and the "Bjelkemander" .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjelkemander .. in Queensland. .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensland .. Sometimes political representatives use both gerrymandering and malapportionment to try to maintain power. .. links inside ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

Ok, gerrymandering vs malapportionment? Huh? I've never heard of malapportionment, until NOW.

Hmm, what else? Redrawing of boundaries before Nov. elections? I've just peeked back at .. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=49567853 .. still not sure. (Too 'late' here to check now.) Or, is this all about 2012?

Arizona, i think i read had an 'independent' (???) body to draw boundaries.
Don't know about the others. Btw, am not certain if it makes much difference.

Lol, to your ..

I understand some of these, but how did NY end up on the list? Maybe upstate NY?


not sure, but guessing you are suggesting they are more conservative .. hmmmm, in Wik now ..
on a glance 'upstate' looks .. wow, 'undecided' .. what area it is, i mean .. that aside .. hmmm ..

[...] "For some, the term Upstate evokes sentiments of rural lifestyles and traditional values contrary to those of New York City." [...]

wbmw, i'm just skimming and these bits seem to fit .. nothing personal on this one .. all new to me ..

"A common misconception is that the predominant ethnic group in upstate are WASPs. Actually residents of English ancestry are dominant in only a handful of rural counties. but still have a strong presence in the remaining counties. The Hudson Valley, the Capital District and the Syracuse region are heavily Irish American, while the North Country is heavily French Canadian. Italian Americans are the largest ethnic group in Oneida County, Broome County, Utica and Schenectady, while German ancestry is most common across western New York." [...] ..

skip skip skip .. ok, as i guessed ..

"Often attributed to the region's semi-rural character, there is more conservatism in culture and politics than found in the more urban downstate area, and is the power base of the state's Republican Party, especially now that Long Island, a former Republican stronghold, has become slightly more Democratic than Republican."

then again ..

There are several exceptions to this rule, including Erie County (Buffalo), Monroe County (Rochester), Onondaga County (Syracuse), Tompkins County (Ithaca), Albany County (Albany), Niagara County (Niagara Falls), Broome County (Binghamton), Clinton (Plattsburgh), Franklin, St. Lawrence counties (influence of Canada), and Ulster County (City of Kingston, Villages of Woodstock and New Paltz).

As a whole, Upstate New York is roughly equally divided in Federal elections between Democrats and Republicans. In 2004, John Kerry defeated George W. Bush by less than 1,500 votes (1,553,246 votes to 1,551,971) in the Upstate Region."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstate_New_York

So, lo, yup, guess it's about upstate NY.

wbmw .. please forgive my more information gathering than anything.

Ouch. Sun's up. OUCH! Go easy.