Replies to post #96303 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[StephanieVanbryce]

Have you ever head of Romney CARE ?

[wbmw]

wbmw...that's a fairly broad brush you're using to paint the picture....especially from the WH web-site...

I hope you're not saying you doubt the data. It's not like I posted someone's *opinion* from the White House. That would obviously be tainted. But data is data, and you can look it up to verify.

I thought that was kinda funny! That's the Repugnantkins answer to HR 3200....I'll bet that bill is still on Nancy Pelosi desk buried under 17 tons of papers....yeah, they used that!!!

I don't get your point. I hear the cynnicism about Pelosi, which is commonplace but often not factual - but I don't get what you're actually trying to conclude. The facts are still the facts, which is that Republican bipartisan ideas made it into the health care reform bill, and they are now law. Can I get an acknowledgment from you that you concede to this, or will this be an argument where I show you facts, and you disbelieve them?

[wbmw]

the larger question which looms is: within the knowledge (and, Obama et al. are NOT stupid people) that all social and/or economic systems have flaws, capitalism must have flaws. Why not repair them, especially, when they are obvious and glaring and easily repairable?

Why "fundamentally change" the system?

With all due respect, Geo, this is still a criticism that is not grounded in reality. Nothing has fundamentally changed about our Capitalistic society, relative to where we were when Obama took the oath.

Every company that operates today under the profit motive will continue to operate, and continue to make profits. Additional regulation on their practices does not constitute a "fundamental change".

I'll even take an extreme example, and suppose that the government took over the entire health care industry, and developed legislation that resembles what the U.K. has. Even under that extreme, it would be govt run health care, but the rest of the country would still have a private industry offering consumer products and services that operated under the rules of Capitalism.

You do recognize this, don't you? And I hope you also recognize that we DID NOT take the route of the U.K., and instead kept both private medical providers (hospitals, doctors, etc.) as well as private insurance companies. The only difference is that now everyone is mandated to buy insurance, and there are new consumer protections as well as new entitlements so that low-income people can afford it.

That's all it is, plain and simple. Your strawman of a "fundamental change to Capitalism" is not reality - with all due respect!

[wbmw]

1) They've usurped Wall Street...they've assured that the "crooks" on wall street remain intact and keep generating the dollars...but, now the Dems control them...

Banking reform is currently being debated. Again, the cynicism from you is disconnected from the reality. I urge you to watch more varied news sources. The current events directly contradict your criticisms.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0710564820100407