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[thrifty]

I don't think so.

In Matthew 1, we have the genealogy of Jesus Christ through Joseph.

In verse 11 we have Jeconiah. Who is Jeconiah? In the Old Testament he is known as Coniah. During his captivity in Babylon, the Babylonian king renamed him Jehoiachin.

It is important bcause Joseph is in the bloodline of King David through Coniah and in Jeremiah 22:30 Coniah is cursed. He is declared childless, meaning no seed of his shall ever sit on the throne of King David. Coniah had seven sons, but they and their posterity all carried the curse.. During Coniah's lifetime the Jews were taken off into captivity and have not had a king since.

If we could go to Israel in Jesus's day and ask educated Jewish Pharisees or scribes who their king is, they would say they don't have one. We could answer, "But I thought the Jews had a king. You had many kings in the past. If you had a king today, who would it be?" If the scribes and Pharisees searched the records they could have traced the kingly line to a man named Joseph, who was the legal father of Jesus. They would have to admit if Israel had a king in Jesus' time, it would have to have been Joseph, but the curse on Coniah still applied. Joseph was only royally entitled to the throne.

Was there any descendant of King David legally entitled to the throne of Israel? Tracing the genealogy of Mary beginning in Luke 3:23, the line from King David goes down through Nathan to Heli. However, Heli had no sons, only daughters. One was Mary.

In the infinite wisdom of God, Joseph, who was royally entitled to the throne of King David, is engaged to a young woman, a virgin, who is legally entitled to the throne. But Joseph is cursed, and all his children would carry the same curse. Because Jesus Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, the curse does not apply. He was not the seed of Joseph, but Joseph was Jesus' legal father, so Joseph passed his legal right to the throne to Jesus. Mary passed her royal right to the throne to Jesus.

In the Jewish economy, the father could choose whom to give the birthright to, as David chose Solomon instead of Amon, his firstborn. Joseph had this right by adoption, and he chose Jesus. So by the process of adoption, Joseph passed his legal right to the throne to Jesus, but the curse did not apply, because Jesus was not of the seed of Coniah! Jesus was entitled legally and royally to the throne of Israel and he had no children. So, the right to the throne ended in a man named Jesus! He was crucified on a hill outside of Jerusalem. There is no one alive today who is entitled to the throne of Israel except Jesus!

By Doris Mataya (edited by me)

[tenac]

Hello masko..i read your post here yesterday and didnt comment as i didnt have the time. I also just read the past few post from you and thrifty and excel....and as thrifty usually does...she backs up her thoughts and beliefs with scripture...just as all of us here try to do.

Now 1st of all...in your post you come to the "Bible" board and make a statement such as you did....asking if the Bible or scripture is "unerring"...which after i went to my trusty dictionary...i find that to mean....

Committing no mistakes; consistently accurate

And then you offer scripture saying or suggesting that the Bible IS NOT unerring.

Which in my mind...all you did was take a couple scriptures about the same subject...compaire them in your own worldly way...and say...See there...the Bible is wrong...it lies! If you would have bothered to do a little research on your own...you might have found the answer to your thought or question....you know...seek and you will find. But hey...thats cool...thats what we are here for.....Anyway, sense you didnt...and even when you got a perfectly good answer from thrifty...instead of saying thank you....you get in her face about something that you obviously know nothing about in the 1st place. We all use other peoples words and thoughts here to help others understand...and thrifty even put the article in her own words. As thrifty stated.... By Doris Mataya (edited by me)

We are all here to answer in the best way that we can...when we have the time... hopefully by the guidance of the Holy Spirit....But for you to talk down just because you dont like the way someone tried to help you...is a little out there. You will find that the books of Matthew..Mark..Luke...John...all have accounts of the same things...but told in different ways. But it is all the spoken word of God!

Here is a message i listen to awhile back...John MacArthur takes a full hour to answer your thought or question about the genealogy of Jesus...after you listen...you will know way more than you really want to about the two scriptures that you posted. Sorry this is another persons thoughts....but as for me...i learn best from other people...wink/wink. Do have a great night and let us know what you think of scriptures answer through John MacArthur message.

To give you one short answer from the message......

In Matthew's genealogy you go back through Solomon to David. In Luke's genealogy you go back through Nathan to David. So you have two different lines. You have one being all the people who came out of Solomon..other, all the people who came out of Nathan.
Secondly, Matthew identifies Jesus' grandfather as Jacob, a man named Jacob. It says Jesus' earthly father was Joseph and his father was Jacob. But Luke says, look at it at the end of verse 23, that Jesus' grandfather's name is Eli, or Heli. So Luke says Jesus' grandfather is Heli, or Eli. Matthew says his grandfather is Jacob. Now this is a difference. So you've got two sons of David, that's different and you've got two grandfathers of Jesus, one being Jacob in the genealogy of Matthew, one being Eli in the genealogy of Luke. Both are royal lines because both come out of David. Solomon comes out of David, Nathan comes out of David, you have both those royal lines.

You'd be amazed how people struggle to try to explain that. I don't know what the struggle is all about. Everybody has two genealogies like that. One is maternal and one is paternal. In Matthew you have the genealogy of Joseph through his father Jacob back to David through Solomon. In Luke you have the genealogy of Mary through her father, Eli. So Jesus, like everybody, had two grandfathers...he had a paternal grandfather through his father named Jacob, he had a grandfather through his mother named Eli. Now it's very important to note this. What you have then in Matthew is the genealogy of Jesus back through Joseph. In Luke is the genealogy of Jesus back through Mary.

The Messiah's Royal Lineage
John MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/42-48_The-Messiahs-Royal-Lineage?