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shoreco

11/06/04 6:48 AM

#319487 RE: lee kramer #319484

Lee, In the proposal they will offer "choices" of either stocks or bonds...

As far as your last question goes "what about a falling market"...

My answer is...

Yes, a falling market would work in reverse to my examples, but I think they're trying more or less to "off set" the money that will be coming out (we know all about the amount of retiries coming in the next 5 years)...

So, I believe they are more or less looking for a steady "inflow" to match the "outflow"...

Kinda like the retiring parents selling their working kids their stock...LOL...

It's pushes the problem out to another generation...

Once we stop making kids, the pyramid will crumble...LOL...

EOM
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JimQuinceH

11/06/04 7:39 AM

#319489 RE: lee kramer #319484

Lee, In reference to your question about a falling market, when working people invest part of their Social Security, in President Bush's partial privatization plan.

Some time ago I was talking to some 70+ year old folks who asked me when I thought their shares of Network Appliance (NTAP) would get back to the $120 per share, price that they paid for it in 2000. I told them "awhile".

Then there was a co-worker of mine who had 100% of his self directed IRA money invested in G D Ritzy's stock. G D Ritzy's IPO (here in Columbus, Ohio) was hotter than Wendy's stock (also headquartered in Columbus, Ohio) when it's IPO came out.
Unforetunately, G D Ritzy's fell on hard times, the company went bankrupt and ceased operations. My co-worker lost his entire investment.

I wonder how many folks will make these same types of errors, with the money from their privatization of their Social Security money?

Jim
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Zeev Hed

11/06/04 11:19 AM

#319516 RE: lee kramer #319484

There is really no problem in putting some of the money od SS in the market, provided that no one is "allowed" to try and do timing, namely change from one class (bonds or stocks) to another class, since 90% will do it wrong (we know that is a fact since "smart people" as well as the public always get extremely bearish at bottoms and extremely bullish at tops). If it was set up that every month (it would be best if the investment would be distributed over the whole month as are disbursements of SS payments), the set aside money buys a given amount of SPY or DIA or even QQQ and that is not changed till retirement, that could provide over the long run good results, even better than inflation protected treasuries. What I don't understand is why can't the SS trust manager do that for everyone, why add another 1% cost to those funds through "managers". That is simply a "gift" to wall street, which has not yet proved it is honest enough to be left with that management task.

The real solution would be to take all the inflow of monies, split in four, 1/4 in TIPS, 1/4, in DIA, 1/4 in SPY and 1/4 in QQQ.

If we let individuals manage entries and exits from one class to another, we end up with 90% of our population not having sufficient SS funds by the time they retire. I think that enough people have lost their 401K and IRA accounts in the last 15 years to prove that management of money smartly, not only takes a lot of time, but is also a question of training most people do not have and will probably never have.