Well that is your opinion...and you are certainly entitled to it. But I can tell you that some here make more than most. real traders don't waist time on chat rooms either so that puts you in the same boat with us now doesn't it. the difference being is most of us know what we are...and know that we can make a very good living playing pennies. I have build a very suceessful company doing it. I consider my self a investor..some investments last 30 minutes some last 30 months.....the bottom line is be profitable and I am.