Fung, I'm not saying that I have lost a couple thousand here and there on Penny stocks, this is actually the first time i have put in that much fun money into a large gamble, most money I have lost or more often made has been in energy stock (i have a lot in EAS, initially given to me from my Grandfather and since I have purchased more as it has performed very well for me over the past several years) and my long term investments are in property as I own 2 houses, 1 of which is 100% equity. I have never been to Vegas, but if I go I'll have a thousand or two that I'd be willing to lose, obviously I would hope to win, but to think you're always going to win is just as stupid as banking on CMKX as a retirement fund. I appreciate the advice, but I am not an individual riding out my life savings in CMKX or any other Penny stock.