rico -- in general, agreed -- since the time it became clear that Kerry had the nomination, I've said that I couldn't wait for the debates -- and since I became active on this board last January (and espressing thoughts I'd had well before then), I've talked about the possibility/risk of a 'Plan B' -- I think we may well get to see if they have it left in them to pull one off -- with so many in the professional ranks of the CIA/et al, and in the senior uniformed ranks of the military, in more or less open revolt against them, and also with more and more folks in general waking up to what they are all about, in particular when combined with Kerry's firmly establishing himself as fully capable as serving as President at this time, I think the situation just may be in the process of outrunning any ability on dubya&co's part to actually do so -- what the heck, what will be will be -- prepared for the worst but hoping for the best is where I am right now . . .