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makesumgravy

08/23/09 9:46 AM

#164658 RE: sylvester80 #164657

syl I have heard in the media on more than one occasion that the estimate for illegals is 12m, but could be as high as 20 to 30m, but no one really knows?, how could they with open borders?, this has been going on for decades. After WW2 the Department of Immigration with the help of the elected officials began easing the restrictions than were in place. Over the last several decades there has been an explosion of those who have entered the country, like a tsunami of illegals, as far away as El Salvador, and many have been gang affiliates...........it didn't stop there, this country took in 50,000 from Cuba during the Carter years. Carter told its dictator if he would allow at least this many to come our door would be open to receive them. He did, Castro's finest, "he opened his prison gates". We got each and every one.

Not only from Cuba, but a flood of refugee's have been allowed to come into this country from the Dominican Republic, or rather Haiti.........thugs, and gang associates.
Along with it has came a crime a wave in around Miami, which used to be quite a city to vacation in, is now like LA.

Chicago is the murder city, unlike the days of Capone, and unlike the wild west..........its a city completely out of control that is controlled by gangs. This just scratches the surface. This problem began building during the Kennedy years, and for all that was suppose to make things better, in reality made things a thousand times worse..........Gangs, dope, alchohol, guns, and government run programs helped to fuel it. In particular HUD.............at one time Downtown Chicago was quite a place, and many of the areas of Chicago were really nice, great schools, and had some of the most beautiful parks, and places to go for family activities for every season.......Now its duck and cover, the outlying areas of the city just blocks away from downtown, south, west, and north are gone, crime ridden, drug invested, all the way into the suburbs and beyond.
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rjbluesky

08/23/09 10:17 AM

#164661 RE: sylvester80 #164657

It boils down to compassion for others which on the surface the GOP doesn't seem to have. Each time there is a GOP president i.e., Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., etc., the corporate economic world falls apart and we usually get into war mongering talk. i.e., the savings and loan crises in the Reagan years, the recession in the Bush Sr year with a war to bring us out, and Bush Jr., great policy of no government which helped put our country in world and economic standing at the bottom of the barrel for the past 8 years with an 8 year war on terror or Iraqi freedom or whatever it is about to boot.
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extelecom

08/23/09 11:01 AM

#164664 RE: sylvester80 #164657

Your estimate of the number of illegal aliens is low by what I read.

"Right now with no health care reform YOU are footing the bill for ALL 46 million" - as explained, that simply is not true. If you are a citizen and have a job and income, they will come after you even if you say you can't pay. Of course illegals won;t have this happen, no documentation, no way to force any payment. I never said I didn't want for legal citizens to not have healthcare, that is your distortion and apparently others.
What I said was, saying that the reform bill doesn't give illegal aliens health care is a distortion.

Apparently you don't find it funny that it takes 1000+ pages to cover the legal uninsured citizens. You obviously don;t care that those uninsured will be forced enroll in a plan or have the IRS tax them. If you think the IRS won't come after you for non payment, just see what happened to Red Foxx or Willie Nelson. Of course if you are an illegal alien the IRS won;t come after you because they don't know who you are.

apparently some people seem to think that it is compassionate to allow your country to be overrun by illegal aliens and give them for free what your citizens do not get.
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benzdealeror2

08/23/09 1:57 PM

#164684 RE: sylvester80 #164657

Keep slugging the Kool Aid Sylvester...Half the folks without insurance dont want it by choice. You want Congress to pass a law that REQUIRES people have health insurance, so be it..But stop the whining that all those people who dont have it are "have nots" at the feet of the evil and greedy.

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brainlessone

08/23/09 8:46 PM

#164756 RE: sylvester80 #164657

census gives estimate of 12-18 million syl, wonder how the new york times does a poll.

dems stopped bush's program to inquire about status for non insured in er's in 2007, so we cant evne know what the problem is in truth
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brainlessone

08/23/09 8:46 PM

#164757 RE: sylvester80 #164657

census gives estimate of 12-18 million syl, wonder how the new york times does a poll.

could be triple. we dont know. you cant speak of them, you cant ask them, its like voldemort

dems stopped bush's program to inquire about status for non insured in er's in 2007, so we cant evne know what the problem is in truth