Hey Junkmasterg, You can only beat your head against the wall so many times before you get a headache. I'm only seeing one side of the discussion so I cannot give an opinion. Just remember some people like to argue just for the sake of the arguement.
OT: I have no problem with that. The problem lies with the newbie investors that think this is the next MSFT or heaven forbid DeBeers and invests more than they can afford.
The bashers as people call them here have witnessed people losing some serious money on speculation plays. There is a newbie board here. That seldom gets visited. But some good posts out there.