Replies to post #2498 on Rim Semiconductor Company (fka RSMI)

[McCloud]

Copper on the way out. LOL Maybe, but no matter what anyone says I doubt I see the end of twisted pair in my lifetime. Maybe a reduction, but far from an end in the U.S. and other industrialized nations. Particularly throughout the world .
Ernie

[excel]

CB. You still haven't responded to my last response to you regarding FTTH. So I've taken the time to bring the article hear that you like so much and let's see if we can REALLY see what's going on.


Can you say, instantaneous data transfer? Can you say, video on demand?


Why Fiber To The Home (FTTH) Is Inevitable
By Alan Luber (May 10, 2001)

[CAPITALISM MAGAZINE.COM] For the past few years, telecom companies have been working diligently to provide us with pseudo-broadband internet connections over copper (DSL) and cable (cable modem). I use the term "pseudo-broadband" because the existing telecom infrastructure can only provide speeds of up to 1.5 megabits per second.
( In theory, cable modem can provide up to 2.5 megabits per second, but in reality nobody obtains these speeds because the shared aspects of cable modem results in lower speeds.)

No doubt improvements will be made over the next few years to squeeze more out of copper and cable, but it doesn't matter,

Excel says.......
Doesn't matter? Is that so. Tell me Mr Luber do you have a CLUE the cost to rip up streets? Do you know that they have come into HUGE problems ripping up streets and finding other pipes and other items in the way so the project cost went way up? Did you know that the telco industry will only go for what is COST effective? This is NOT cost effective!


because fiber to the home is coming, and it will be here faster than most people predict.

Excel says.........
And where do you get the facts to back up that statement? New construction in the nicer communities yes. But anywhere else? See above comments. WRONG!


In case you're wondering, FTTH provides download speeds of up to 155 megabits per second -- that's 100 times faster than the pseudo-broadband DSL and cable modem connections. Can you say, instantaneous data transfer? Can you say, video on demand?

Excel says.......
Yes Mr Luber. I can say video on demand. And NV will bring that to EVERYONE not just gated communities at a LOWER cost!

SBC and Bellsouth are two of the telecom giants pioneering FTTH. The initial markets are new residential construction, because you don't have to dig up streets in an existing neighborhood to lay the fiber optic cable.

Excel says..............
Your above sentence about not digging up existing streets should have told you right then to find something else to write about..........like video games!


SBC plans to wire 6,000 homes in a community in San Francisco by late next year. Initial net connections will only be about 5 mb / second -- far from the theoretical maximum of 155 mb / second, but still blazingly fast compared to DSL and cable modem.

BellSouth is also pioneering FTTH with a trial project involving more than 400 people in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody. These individuals have internet connections of about 10 mb / second!

No doubt there will be stumbles along the way to providing FTTH. No doubt there are challenges to making FTTH cost effective.

Excel says............
Challenges to making FTTH cost effective you say? I like a good challenge also. But I also know when it doesn't make sense in any other place beside business districts and gated communities!


No doubt it will take years before most residences in America have true broadband internet access.

But FTTH is inevitable, for a number of reasons:

Speed. Nothing else comes close. Not copper, not cable, not wireless. Speed will find a way.

Excel says..........
NV tech will provide MORE then enough speed to run any kind of application. Next time do internet search on new techs before writing articles like this!

Demand. Once FTTH begins to worm its way into the residential infrastructure, home buyers will seek it out. Years ago, when the cable television infrastructure was being deployed, the availability of cable in a neighborhood became an important purchase consideration for homebuyers. The same thing will happen with FTTH.

Excel says......
WHAT??? Home buyers. Yes! They will like that if that is the type of neighborhood they want to live in. Cable is cost effective as far as construction costs but limited to speed. Whole lot cheaper then ripping up streets! How in the world can you take the construction of cable and compare it to fiber costs? UNBELIEVABLE!!!


Homebuyers will seek it out, and within the next few years, FTTH will become the standard for all new construction. This will lay the groundwork for FTTH to spread rapidly via the principle of competitive disadvantage.

The Principle of Competitive Disadvantage. Imagine a country where all buyers of new residential construction have internet connections of 155 megabits per second. People with DSL and cable modem connections to the internet will be at an enormous competitive disadvantage to those that have FTTH connections. Imagine two people working from home, one with a 1.5 mb / second internet connection and another with a 155 mb / second internet connection. Which person do you think will be more productive? Which person has the fundamental competitive advantage in an internet based society? The principle of competitive disadvantage will drive prices to the point where it becomes cost effective to deploy fiber to existing homes. The intrinsic competitive nature of our society and economy will not tolerate a situation very long where the majority is at a huge technology based competitive disadvantage to the minority. Once FTTH has been deployed as the standard for new construction, the principle of competitive disadvantage will cause it to spread rapidly to existing construction.

Excel says.............
Is that so? To ALL new construction? Once again you need to do research. You don't have a clue. In construction there are different types of buyers they are looking for. Cost is related to these buyers wants and needs. If they know they can get NV tech without paying the cost of fiber added in home construction cost then a certain segmont of society will choose not to. Competitive disadvantage will not be a facter with NV tech.

How fast will it happen? I believe that the majority of homes in this country will have FTTH internet connections within ten years, and I believe that the principle of competitive disadvantage will be the driving force behind such a rapid deployment.

Excel says............
Competitive disadvantage will not be a facter. So your whole point is moot. And thinking we are ripping up roads everywhere is moot also. Thinking cost into this prretty much makes this whole article a non-factor in convincing anyone there isn't another solution which there is. NVEI!






Excel
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[WHP03]

6000 homes... oooohhh... 5 Mbs... my fingers have been scorched... $2000/home for non-new home construction is a well used/known estimate for pulling fiber to the home, in exsisting neighborhoods.

We've been over this ground more often than you post misinformation posts Chrome.

Fiber is ideal, but the economics cannot beat using copper to achieve 52Mbs. If you don't believe me, dig into who's who on the VDSL stds committees and what's coming down on that front in 2002.

Ideally everyone, including the telcos would love to pull fiber to every's home... but given the fact that copper goes more or less to every home today, if they can do video on demand/HDTV over existing copper lines, how fast do you think they're going to can any program to pull fiber to existing homes? I believe they will continue to pull to new construction, and believe they should.

[spokeshave]

chromebuster: I would not count on FTTH becoming ubiquitous any time soon. The article cited listed a number of reasons why it *should* happen, but it neglected to list the *one* reason that it won't:

$25 per foot.

Until that "last mile" problem is solved, we will not FTTH anytime soon.