m3s, I agree. In addition, can anyone show where there is a legal opinion that agrees with Mr. Aynes position that by participating in the ETSI and declaring your patents to be "essential" to the standard, automatically enters the company into a license with all the other participants. Surely there must be some clear language to that effect that has been issued by the ETSI. Apart from that, Mr. Ayne testimony is nothing but a vagrant opinion; one with no means of support.