So in the case that we now have two essential and several not essential yet being used,don't we have both bases covered?Beyond the fact that their expert is engaged in "double speak", WHAT is the logical reality?They use our IPR in their devices and it needs to be paid for.A rate has already been established with other licensee's;either pay that rate,or negotiate an agreeable rate between the litigant's that also accounts for attorney fees,use of money[via non payment] and foreign currency appreciation.IMO THAT might be a FRAND rate!