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John McKay

10/19/01 9:51 PM

#905 RE: Ike Latif #904

The only Bull I am seeing is this assessment

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Inho Kim

10/22/01 8:17 AM

#906 RE: Ike Latif #904

I just heard from KGO, San Francisco Bay Area local news talkshow radio, that FBI failed to make very important material wittnesses or the captured confessed related to WTO terrorist attacks. They suggested to reduce sentence, offer resettlement money with their families, and other very generous offers (new identities and homes, etc.) but the captives did not respond to anyting.
So, FBI tries to toture them to get confession. Whatever means necessary to get the results, even toturing.
Can anybody tell me the news are true or not?

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Ike Latif

10/22/01 3:45 PM

#907 RE: Ike Latif #904

<how can so many citizens oppose what is going on in Afghany, yet the situation not worsen, and even erupt?>
You want to look at a country about to fragment or unconvinced look at its stock market, if 80% people were against this action the stocks market would have not rallied..

<Subject: Market and your trades on 22 October, 2001
To: ilatif@yahoo.com
CC: Khurram.Hanif@firstcapital.com.pk
From: Tasnim.Darbar@firstcapital.com.pk
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:12:42 +0500

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^KSE&d=c&t=3m&l=on&z=b&q=l

Hello Iqbal,
Great day at KSE today, although the net gain of 84 points in just one
day
was a little unexpected. SBP slashed down interest rates by 2% with
the
objective of lowering cost of acess to funds. This gave a boost to
players
at KSE and Institutions were also actively supporting the market, apart
from the big players like AKD.
Expectations are that market is going to continue rising and most
people
think a 1500 Index is not far off.>

The markets can be termed as rich man hobby and therefore not representative of real under currents but if they were not reflective that would have shown after 12th Sept where we went into sharp decline that means it is a market that prices political disturbance and international sanctions. Soon after the attack we had a fall far in excess of many markets in ASEA. Karachi is the key barometer of our economic activity the listed companies are consumer related like PTCL, HUBCO Lever Brothers and PSO, now a country going through a huge turmoil will have its consumer spending cut to size but it is not the case. If the market knew we are in mess this recovery would not be just possible, first of all Pakistan is being charged a war premium because of its involvement with the war by Lloyd’s of London, a country which is target of war premiums is not a country that will have such unique rallies so would my Dunkin Donut’s analogy. By the way most of this buying is cong form retail investors and most of D&D customers are from inner cities in Lahore where we have an opening.

Yesterday I dealt with the feudal of NWFP and Baluchistan today I will dwell on the majority province of Punjab. I think that Punjab is the largest province and I would say 15-20% in Punjab are infected by virulent form of rabies that lead people to bite like mad dogs. That is the reason things are normal and we are seeing neither flight of capital rather a massive cut in the interest rates today sparked the rally. Karachi is 10-15% infected by these fundos, interior of Sind nearly 10%, now I come form that region, the entire broad stream political spectrum supports the present policy, from Pakistan Peoples Party to Muslim League, in between them they had out of 315 seats in the presently defunct parliament 290 seats, both of these parties support this action. Awami National Party of Wali Khan is solidly behind the operation super clean up.

Five people matter in Pakistani politics one is Bhuttos of Sind, she is solidly behind this one, second is the Like minded group of Muslim League which represents Lahore the nerve center of my country and the hinterland Punjab, the Chuadarys of Gujrat the Jats are more American than an American, Mian Azhar is more English than a Lahori, Gohar Ayub the most hawkish amongst them is a hawk against the Indians but a dove here, he is the son of ex-President Syub Khan represents the hazara belt in the NWFP. In the Pothwar and Jhelum the martial belt of Pakistan, where this army hails from, the entire representation from Abida Hussien the ex-ambassadress to Washington Chd Nisar and Rasheed support this action. I yesterday posted the Sardars of Baluchistan and Sind who can throw things in different direction, the Jatoi's, the Pagaras the Pirs of Haas and Ranipurs, none of these people are against the action.

I talk to them the Jatoi's and Pagars led the war of independence the 'hurs' check on the internet, now I see all around talk to these guys from Mehars to Rinds to Lunds to Soomoros, I just don't see what these guys of your are reporting from Pakistan, we are 140 million people but CNN still emphasises on few thousands 'freaks', let them go and talk to these people who I have mentioned the Bajaranis, the Mengals the Khosos of Jacobabad, I know my history like I know my economics, yes, I would not be shy or economical with truth if my feed back was different, the problem is perception, we have been made a laughing stock of the world courtesy our own actions and our foolish long tongue, we talk more than we act in so called service of Islam however we are fully conversant with the fact what Iraqi and Yugoslavians were not that of saving our skin from bombing for sake of Osama. Our very survivability lies that most of our disputes are contained and as nation we are not very adventure prone. On one thing that the entire nation can flare is if India provokes us that will be a disaster. Millions of people will come out on roads, much as I dislike this bridge but this is a fact.

Now the media that so far had reported until 15th of Sept that Pakistan is failed Talibanised state. Now they cannot see that how in a very organised manner these guys without ten thousand killed like Asad of Syria or Saddam of Iraq or Abdullah of Saudi would have done and have delivered what US wanted. Even your generals had been sold to the idea that Pakistan is next Yugoslavia in making, but we know our interests, we have some serious problems with India on Kashmir and that needs to settle otherwise we are a peaceful nation and we love our life. If by any chance India would be a part of bombing in Afghanistan than you would have seen a nuclear devastation of my country, my country would have stood up in arms and we would have been certainly nuked if India-US- Israel axis had taken on Afghanistan and Pakistan. The perception was right, the media had made everything ready but thanks Bush and Powell they knew that Pakistan Army have been trained and readied for this day by US, they called us and they got us, that is easy, the problem is that no one knows the history that joins Pakistan with US from SEATO, CENTO, Budber and Afghan-USSR crisis and the opening of Sino relationship.

Today Osama right hand man in UK was given sanctuary in UK by the House of Lords in the final appeal, we had send Ramzi Yusuf and Kansi when they were arrested by FBI on Pakistani soil and send over in next 2 hours to NY, the reason some of us get upset is that India who was playing non-aligned role at the time when we were your allies against communism and in Afghan war remaining neutral when we fought the war with Russian a nuclear power, US deserted us after 1990 never to ask us how are you doing: that forsaking did give rise to lot of anti US feelings, however still when it matters the most we have placed our country at your disposal, now don’t worry too much, these fundos will not be able to do much and US will be successful in the war, and if you want to check the authenticity of this post send it to Christina Amanpour ask her to go and interview these people, don’t forget your media doesn’t not want us to be portrayed as a civilised advanced nation, it is controlled and it is selective in its policy to share the facts. The facts are that we as I expected on that first post were a pivotal state to resolve this issue and have provided our assistance beyond the call of duty that is the reason you cannot reconcile between the 85% polls and the action going on from Pakistani soil..

We are free people if these guys would have not liked what our government is doing, these guys don't get cowed, period, we will not implode and that is the reason we are seeing Pakistani stocks market 25% up from low of 28th Sept and the situation is not worsen, and even erupt? I pray it will not. I am not grandstanding my nation, have no need of that but in a little way trying to raise questions that some of you may ask your own media, the one sided portrayal of our societies as screwed up, basket cases is unfair, if that was the case and with my mind that is quite freedom oriented, I would not have ever visited my country, I am a free mind, need free expression and do it all the time, come what it may be, many people in my country don’t agree with me but they never have hanged me by my .alls.. However what I se is absolutely different in the media.

The Pakistan is see on CNN is not the Pakistan I live in or where Rehan, Zain Zachary were raised until year 1999…Yes the religious schools are there but Islamabad has 18,000 primary students in English private schools and 26,000 in Government English primary model schools, a single Madrasa in Islamabad has population more than 2000. This pattern is repeated all through the country. The forces of change are better equipped than forces of decay that what you saw in our decision of 11th sept. As far as majority remains focussed I think we have a good chance to go through al this and end this war asap for betterment of Afghanistan.



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Ike Latif

10/30/01 6:54 PM

#913 RE: Ike Latif #904

<<1. Who's responsible for the anthrax attack on the U.S.? What is the current thinking of that question among Pakistani leadership and elites?
3. Perception in this country is that the U.S.-led coalition is beginning to lose it's strategic grip on the Afghan situation. I don't necessary believe that, and I appreciate your optimism regarding the outcome. How is the prosecution of the war being viewed "off the street" in Pakistan and elsewhere in the region?>>
To be frank, I have no idea but my best estimated guess or my instinct leads me to believe that this is too sophisticated a job for the likes of Bin Laden. Bio-terrorism, although equally reprehensible, is far trickier to handle than a deceitful and cowardly act of hijacking a plane and running it into a building.

In my opinion most of them would have picked up anthrax if the Bin Laden group had handled it. If you have been following this anthrax case closely, you would have found that reports are leading towards a domestic hand trying to take advantage of the current situation. Its more akin to a Unabomber type of deranged group.

I do hope they are caught although when I was caught up in Kuwait in August 1990, we had a false alarm of Iraqis planning to attack with poison gas. I remember the children were young and the whole family spent the night in a basement where towels soaked in water were placed under the doorsills and all air conditioning ducts were closed. It was the first time I had heard about Anthrax. Uncharacteristically Iraqi demeanour has been very subdued and the Libyans are quiet.

With the change of government in Syria and Bashar in charge, a leading ophthalmologist, I doubt the Syrians have the stomach or the appetite to engage in such a nefarious activity. The strains of the Anthrax, the frequency of the postings and a deliberate attempt to disfigure the writing will lead to the culprits in the near future.

I have not been able to discuss this issue with a great many Pakistanis but my friends are delighted with the Government policy and genuinely feel that Musharraf has turned a corner and begun a new era. In Pakistan, I am not a very liked person due to my condemnation of Islamic extremism and their involvement in across the border terrorism, which at times leads to myself being labelled as a traitor.

Hence now when I talk about orthodox islams responsibility in encouraging violence and terrorism in the name of Holy Jihad and hold Imam Ghazali treatise responsible for “death of enlightenment” corresponds to Blasphemy. On that premise alone, I could be sentenced to death. But I have never cared nor shall I back away when the truth has to be expounded. I have one nationality, humanity and I consider myself to be a global citizen and as such my views tend to make me at odds with a lot of people.

My relationship with the elite in Pakistan is blow hot blow cold. They have the perception that I am a maverick and as a consequence do not carry much weight and that realisation helps me to be open and impartial. Fairness again is a relative term and sometimes I do get upset with slanted news reports and the spin created. From the last 5 years in this thread, I have continued my banal activities and make my forecasts on global events. That independent free mind helps me make that those kind of analysis and deductions that are now considered by some on SI as insider information.

I laugh on it since when I was making a prediction of the Bush-Gore campaign, I was “THE INSIDER” since most of the projections held true to form. But the truth is I was no insider then nor am I now. Yes I am defending my nation vehemently because the failure of Pakistan to perform would be nightmarish. It would destabilize the whole of Northern India. Afghanistan has 5 million guns, Pakistan has 17 million guns.

They are fiercely independent people and I have to admit that they do support Islam over the US but on this particular issue, the people are satisfied that their neck has been saved. I have no doubt whatsoever that Pakistan could have been a target if emotions would have prevailed. I do not think that this would have cost the US much but my country would have been devastated in every aspect.

At these crossroads, the elite of Pakistan generally are quite pro-Musharraf and support his strategy. The background of the subcontinent is a pre-requisite in understanding the dynamics and popular public reaction. The authority is very much subscribed to like 30,000 bureaucrats ruled 300,000,000 subjects and my Indian friends get irked and piqued by their own sense of grandiosity. I am a far simpler man and understand my limitations and see that authority is never challenged therefore the concept of a coup against Musharraf is far fetched and assuming the worst that he is taken out as an individual, the next in line Joe (Nickname) is another liberal.

This whole propaganda that the Pakistan army is responsible for all the wrongs on the earth is good enough for the New York Times and The Times of India. It holds good reading for the gullible masses but someone with even minimal knowledge of the ethos of the Pakistan Army would know that the commissioned officer would give his life rather than revolt against his chief. I see that Musharraf will accept the recent request for increased co-operation and all these joy killers making their own assumptions about command and control will be sorely disappointed. Even if this recent news is factual that few nuclear scientists had ugly connections, look at the closeness of the relationship with the US. These Pakistanis are handed over for further interrogation, which is what the Hindustan Times is reporting today.

I think the war is going on track and there is no fear of losing the objective. The whole organisation and network of terrorism are on the run and I remain steadfast in my belief that the US forces can complete the job very quickly. This is one of the most unreported campaign and the news that we have received from the press that 35 of the Pakistani activists who joined the Taleban all lost their life in a single attack.

If one attack can yield such a rich booty of deranged terrorists who left their the peace of their home and wanted to wage war with a bunch of lunatics a.k.a Taleban, I can imagine what is happening to the Taleban front line rank and file.

When the aerial campaign began on the Iraqi forces in Kuwait on 21st Jan 1991, we all expected that the Iraqi army will collapse. However as time went by and the aerial campaign had no end in sight, we thought that the bombings had been ineffective against the entrenched Iraqi positions. But in reality as the Allied forces began to move in, the Iraqis were totally decimated and surrendered as POW.

So the Taleban exist only in the figment of our imagination and I will deal with this aspect accordingly. They have been on the run and have endured a serious body blow. Most of their leaders are hiding and their oppressive writ is lost. Since the world tends to believe that hiding bandits control Afghanistan, yes I concede to that but as bandits and not as governors. They cannot use this as a basis of launching future attacks.

Impatience with war is part and parcel of peaceful societies therefore Eisenhower’s and Churchill’s are such a rare breed who exactly know the resolve required to beat down the adversary and deliver that with the best of efforts. Great leaders have the potential to deliver great results and I sincerely believe that the US is bestowed by providence at this crucial junction. His father delivered in the Gulf and he will deliver now.

<<2. Where does Saudi Arabia really stand? Who's in charge there?>>
Saudis are in a real dilemma. They cannot support because they had no idea of what a strong network of disgruntled Saudis have massed up in south west of Saudi Arabia. After the invasion of the Grand Mosques by Otaiba Jhamayan, this is the first time that the wahabi orthodoxy is on a collision course with the House of Saud. Prince Abdullah has recently stated that we need to see the pulse of our nation.

The House of Saud is like the House of Pahlavi of 1978. the Pahlavi’s had their Ayatollah and the Sauds are worried about their new Amir-ul-Momneen. It goes without saying that these Muslim extremists are butchers and assassins of the highest order. The pathetic part is that Osama Bin-Laden calls Omar as the Amir-ul-Momneen.

To achieve his nefarious objectives which is the political takeover of Saudi Arabia. Theologically speaking Osama Bin-Laden is not the prospective Ayatollah in waiting and is actually Omar who has been giving this title only to the extent of fighting the war and winning it in Saudi Arabia. Once the extremists are successful in Saudi Arabia, Ajami Omar will be forgotten. So the poor Omar is the cannon fodder for bigger Inter-Arab theological war of the Wahabi’s where their common enemy is the House of Saud which is definitely pro-west.

The dilemma I referred to is this. To be in the good books of the extremist elements of their own country, they have to be decisively sound more conservative and their relationship with the West is definitely at a crossroad. I see that within the next 1 or 2 years they would like to tow an independent line and the present frozen relationship with Arafat will be revived. The House of Saud have definitely tried to play to the galleries and masses.

I concur with this approach and it is my opinion that a repressive House of Saud is better than a democratic Wahabi Orthodoxy like we have seen in Iran. The Shah would have better than the crippled democracy of the Ayatollahs. But the Shia Orthodoxy is more openminded than the Wahabi Orthodoxy and to quantify it on a scale of 1-10 in terms of oppression. If the Shia’s are 7, then the Sunnis would be 9. If I was the west, I would not demand much of Saudi Arabia. I would concentrate more on Turkey and try to cement the present gains of west in Pakistan. It would also be preferable to establish a toe-hole like the long-standing close relationship Turkey enjoys with the US. Pakistan Army to be encouraged and quietly moved towards a more liberal role. I am definitely sure that a new era has begun in terms of the regional stability.

Pakistan and Turkey will be the key players in this emerging epoch. When Saud-Al-Faisal was in Pakistan recently, I’m pretty sure he must have given a lot of support to the Pakistani government and they are supporting this action by demonstrating through material help.
Too much criticism of Saudi would serve only to encourage the opponents of the House of Saud. The cells of South Western Saudi Arabia would love to see a withdrawal of support from the West. That can be quite devastating especially in Oil prices.

The world markets did stomach the Iranian revolution but Saudi unrest would definitely cause chaos to the global economy. As a swing producer, Saudi stability is important. My two cents worth..

My best to you and yours..



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Ike Latif

10/30/01 6:55 PM

#914 RE: Ike Latif #904

<<1. Who's responsible for the anthrax attack on the U.S.? What is the current thinking of that question among Pakistani leadership and elites?
3. Perception in this country is that the U.S.-led coalition is beginning to lose it's strategic grip on the Afghan situation. I don't necessary believe that, and I appreciate your optimism regarding the outcome. How is the prosecution of the war being viewed "off the street" in Pakistan and elsewhere in the region?>>
To be frank, I have no idea but my best estimated guess or my instinct leads me to believe that this is too sophisticated a job for the likes of Bin Laden. Bio-terrorism, although equally reprehensible, is far trickier to handle than a deceitful and cowardly act of hijacking a plane and running it into a building.

In my opinion most of them would have picked up anthrax if the Bin Laden group had handled it. If you have been following this anthrax case closely, you would have found that reports are leading towards a domestic hand trying to take advantage of the current situation. Its more akin to a Unabomber type of deranged group.

I do hope they are caught although when I was caught up in Kuwait in August 1990, we had a false alarm of Iraqis planning to attack with poison gas. I remember the children were young and the whole family spent the night in a basement where towels soaked in water were placed under the doorsills and all air conditioning ducts were closed. It was the first time I had heard about Anthrax. Uncharacteristically Iraqi demeanour has been very subdued and the Libyans are quiet.

With the change of government in Syria and Bashar in charge, a leading ophthalmologist, I doubt the Syrians have the stomach or the appetite to engage in such a nefarious activity. The strains of the Anthrax, the frequency of the postings and a deliberate attempt to disfigure the writing will lead to the culprits in the near future.

I have not been able to discuss this issue with a great many Pakistanis but my friends are delighted with the Government policy and genuinely feel that Musharraf has turned a corner and begun a new era. In Pakistan, I am not a very liked person due to my condemnation of Islamic extremism and their involvement in across the border terrorism, which at times leads to myself being labelled as a traitor.

Hence now when I talk about orthodox islams responsibility in encouraging violence and terrorism in the name of Holy Jihad and hold Imam Ghazali treatise responsible for “death of enlightenment” corresponds to Blasphemy. On that premise alone, I could be sentenced to death. But I have never cared nor shall I back away when the truth has to be expounded. I have one nationality, humanity and I consider myself to be a global citizen and as such my views tend to make me at odds with a lot of people.

My relationship with the elite in Pakistan is blow hot blow cold. They have the perception that I am a maverick and as a consequence do not carry much weight and that realisation helps me to be open and impartial. Fairness again is a relative term and sometimes I do get upset with slanted news reports and the spin created. From the last 5 years in this thread, I have continued my banal activities and make my forecasts on global events. That independent free mind helps me make that those kind of analysis and deductions that are now considered by some on SI as insider information.

I laugh on it since when I was making a prediction of the Bush-Gore campaign, I was “THE INSIDER” since most of the projections held true to form. But the truth is I was no insider then nor am I now. Yes I am defending my nation vehemently because the failure of Pakistan to perform would be nightmarish. It would destabilize the whole of Northern India. Afghanistan has 5 million guns, Pakistan has 17 million guns.

They are fiercely independent people and I have to admit that they do support Islam over the US but on this particular issue, the people are satisfied that their neck has been saved. I have no doubt whatsoever that Pakistan could have been a target if emotions would have prevailed. I do not think that this would have cost the US much but my country would have been devastated in every aspect.

At these crossroads, the elite of Pakistan generally are quite pro-Musharraf and support his strategy. The background of the subcontinent is a pre-requisite in understanding the dynamics and popular public reaction. The authority is very much subscribed to like 30,000 bureaucrats ruled 300,000,000 subjects and my Indian friends get irked and piqued by their own sense of grandiosity. I am a far simpler man and understand my limitations and see that authority is never challenged therefore the concept of a coup against Musharraf is far fetched and assuming the worst that he is taken out as an individual, the next in line Joe (Nickname) is another liberal.

This whole propaganda that the Pakistan army is responsible for all the wrongs on the earth is good enough for the New York Times and The Times of India. It holds good reading for the gullible masses but someone with even minimal knowledge of the ethos of the Pakistan Army would know that the commissioned officer would give his life rather than revolt against his chief. I see that Musharraf will accept the recent request for increased co-operation and all these joy killers making their own assumptions about command and control will be sorely disappointed. Even if this recent news is factual that few nuclear scientists had ugly connections, look at the closeness of the relationship with the US. These Pakistanis are handed over for further interrogation, which is what the Hindustan Times is reporting today.

I think the war is going on track and there is no fear of losing the objective. The whole organisation and network of terrorism are on the run and I remain steadfast in my belief that the US forces can complete the job very quickly. This is one of the most unreported campaign and the news that we have received from the press that 35 of the Pakistani activists who joined the Taleban all lost their life in a single attack.

If one attack can yield such a rich booty of deranged terrorists who left their the peace of their home and wanted to wage war with a bunch of lunatics a.k.a Taleban, I can imagine what is happening to the Taleban front line rank and file.

When the aerial campaign began on the Iraqi forces in Kuwait on 21st Jan 1991, we all expected that the Iraqi army will collapse. However as time went by and the aerial campaign had no end in sight, we thought that the bombings had been ineffective against the entrenched Iraqi positions. But in reality as the Allied forces began to move in, the Iraqis were totally decimated and surrendered as POW.

So the Taleban exist only in the figment of our imagination and I will deal with this aspect accordingly. They have been on the run and have endured a serious body blow. Most of their leaders are hiding and their oppressive writ is lost. Since the world tends to believe that hiding bandits control Afghanistan, yes I concede to that but as bandits and not as governors. They cannot use this as a basis of launching future attacks.

Impatience with war is part and parcel of peaceful societies therefore Eisenhower’s and Churchill’s are such a rare breed who exactly know the resolve required to beat down the adversary and deliver that with the best of efforts. Great leaders have the potential to deliver great results and I sincerely believe that the US is bestowed by providence at this crucial junction. His father delivered in the Gulf and he will deliver now.

<<2. Where does Saudi Arabia really stand? Who's in charge there?>>
Saudis are in a real dilemma. They cannot support because they had no idea of what a strong network of disgruntled Saudis have massed up in south west of Saudi Arabia. After the invasion of the Grand Mosques by Otaiba Jhamayan, this is the first time that the wahabi orthodoxy is on a collision course with the House of Saud. Prince Abdullah has recently stated that we need to see the pulse of our nation.

The House of Saud is like the House of Pahlavi of 1978. the Pahlavi’s had their Ayatollah and the Sauds are worried about their new Amir-ul-Momneen. It goes without saying that these Muslim extremists are butchers and assassins of the highest order. The pathetic part is that Osama Bin-Laden calls Omar as the Amir-ul-Momneen.

To achieve his nefarious objectives which is the political takeover of Saudi Arabia. Theologically speaking Osama Bin-Laden is not the prospective Ayatollah in waiting and is actually Omar who has been giving this title only to the extent of fighting the war and winning it in Saudi Arabia. Once the extremists are successful in Saudi Arabia, Ajami Omar will be forgotten. So the poor Omar is the cannon fodder for bigger Inter-Arab theological war of the Wahabi’s where their common enemy is the House of Saud which is definitely pro-west.

The dilemma I referred to is this. To be in the good books of the extremist elements of their own country, they have to be decisively sound more conservative and their relationship with the West is definitely at a crossroad. I see that within the next 1 or 2 years they would like to tow an independent line and the present frozen relationship with Arafat will be revived. The House of Saud have definitely tried to play to the galleries and masses.

I concur with this approach and it is my opinion that a repressive House of Saud is better than a democratic Wahabi Orthodoxy like we have seen in Iran. The Shah would have better than the crippled democracy of the Ayatollahs. But the Shia Orthodoxy is more openminded than the Wahabi Orthodoxy and to quantify it on a scale of 1-10 in terms of oppression. If the Shia’s are 7, then the Sunnis would be 9. If I was the west, I would not demand much of Saudi Arabia. I would concentrate more on Turkey and try to cement the present gains of west in Pakistan. It would also be preferable to establish a toe-hole like the long-standing close relationship Turkey enjoys with the US. Pakistan Army to be encouraged and quietly moved towards a more liberal role. I am definitely sure that a new era has begun in terms of the regional stability.

Pakistan and Turkey will be the key players in this emerging epoch. When Saud-Al-Faisal was in Pakistan recently, I’m pretty sure he must have given a lot of support to the Pakistani government and they are supporting this action by demonstrating through material help.
Too much criticism of Saudi would serve only to encourage the opponents of the House of Saud. The cells of South Western Saudi Arabia would love to see a withdrawal of support from the West. That can be quite devastating especially in Oil prices.

The world markets did stomach the Iranian revolution but Saudi unrest would definitely cause chaos to the global economy. As a swing producer, Saudi stability is important. My two cents worth..

My best to you and yours..



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Ike Latif

10/30/01 6:56 PM

#915 RE: Ike Latif #904

In Hindustan TimesMusharraf said he saw the growing possibility of a revolt against the Taliban paving the way for a political solution that would end the need for the daily bombing that has inflicted an increasing toll on civilians.
"No, it's not wishful thinking," Musharraf said when pressed about the prospect of desertions in the dominant Pashtun tribe that has supported the Taliban so far.

"Who is the head of the Pashtun? Not the Taliban. It is a very calculated remark that I am making," said the former commando leader, declining to go into details about who he expected to leave the Taliban. PROMOTING REVOLT

Musharraf defended the Taliban until the September 11 attacks on the United States, when he lined up behind the US campaign against them for sheltering Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born militant blamed for the devastation in New York and Washington.

"Afghanistan has suffered, the people are suffering so much that I am reasonably sure there are many people who even question the wisdom of their suffering for the sake of somebody who is there and not an Afghan, like Osama bin Laden and his people," he said.

"There are some people who would be thinking on these lines and those are the people who may be waiting to change sides."

Musharraf, dressed in a striped navy suit but still sweating from a three-set evening tennis match, would not venture a guess on when the war would end in Afghanistan -- either by military victory or disintegration of the Taliban.



Iqbal Latif