Replies to post #29682 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[brainlessone]

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20011017_levinson.html

[sarals]

How do you preserve a free society when people use the freedom to destroy it?

How is making sure a person has the right to a speedy trial and counsel giving them the freedom to destroy our country? I believe the opposite. Who decides that a person is guilty or not ahead of a fair trial? Hasn't that policy been used over the ages to justify political imprisonment of opposition by dictators, monarchs, etc? If a few individuals have the power to indescriminately take away our civils rights, our freedom has been destroyed IMO.

The constitution was written for people who wanted to live freely in the USA, not freely destroy it.

You have a quote for that part? Our civils right insure that our government doesn't abuse it's power. Without those safeguards in place, a few powerful people can rip apart a citizens life without any accountability.

[jbennett53]

brainlessone, There was another time folks thought as you.

""The German people were lovers of the law, much like our nation's people love the law. Eventually the German bureaucracy began acting out above the law, making excuses to the people of Germany for those bad things they were doing. A diligent and good people accepted the politicians excuses for their government's misbehavior. Acceptance sometimes came with somewhat complimentary excuses for the bad things some of their favorite politicians were doing.

The German people loved (and some feared) the law, eventually at the expense of justice for all, including overlooking that a person is innocent until proven guilty. And not long after that, when facts could prove the guilt of a politician not worthy of office, the German people overlooked that, too.""