Replies to post #556824 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[OMOLIVES]

Yes...and everyone in uniform knows that. That's the point. It was a reckless stunt and anyone that disagrees with that is ignorant ..be it foolish.

What individuals are not grasping is that the only way it works is to obey and then file argument against such. Or disobey and cross your fingers.

https://nlgmltf.org/military-law/2025/faq-on-refusing-illegal-orders/

How can I tell if an order is illegal?



The only way to find out whether an order is legal or illegal is to obey, or refuse to obey, and see what is decided after the fact by a military court, a civilian court reviewing a military decision, or a war crimes or human rights tribunal. As a servicemenber subject to the UCMJ, you obey or disobey any order at your peril – which is, of course, one of the risks of enlistment. You can consult a civilian lawyer with expertise in military and international law, but they are very unlikely to be able to give you a definitive answer as to whether a particular order is likely to be found to be legal or illegal.

Good luck....because it has to be blatant. What those ass hats did is skew the meaning of absolute. They were fn' pricks for doing it at the time, but they get it now. No matter what Kelly might say...he knows. He's way better than that.

[brooklyn13]

A silly discussion.

Take someone, millions of ones, say, who goes straight from high school into the military for whatever reasons. How are they possibly equipped to determine the legality of orders that come down the command chain? Sure, some stuff is obvious but a lot isn't. I mean, would you have refused an order to napalm civilians or invade Iraq or pilot the Enola Gay?

Consult a lawyer? That at takes no time and costs no money, either, I'm sure.

This is who you're dealing with, from Gemini:
"In 2023, approximately 22% of all active-duty U.S. armed forces personnel held a bachelor's degree or higher."

So, yeah, unless they studied military law in high school they won't have a clue and neither you nor Kelly (with whom I agree 100%) describe a path for them to get one.