Most guys I play with do not take it very seriously mostly 10-14 hcps so not bad but we play relaxed rules roll the ball etc. we play a small money game and enjoy the beer cart and its all about the social aspect. I am with them. I play a few more competitive events as I am a lower HCP but I also do not take my 5 HCP very seriously and maybe that is why I play good I dont Give a F$%^ sort of I dont like playing bad but then again I could be 6 feet under the grass