Replies to post #542628 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[fuagf]

The emphasis in that one is that in increasing numbers secular Jews are getting fed up with the idea of living in a theocracy, in a Jewish nation like Iran is a Muslim nation. There wouldn't be anything new in it for you.

Yep, Gideon Levy and others have long written of how negatively fatal the choice the Zionist made in saying no to an independent Palestinian state was always destined to be impossible in the long run.

This post is one of the most deserving of being labeled (for future search purposes) the Israel library:

[...]In July 1973, Moshe Dayan said to Time Magazine:

“There is no more Palestine. Finished.”

That was just before the October 1973 war, when Dayan was at the height of his hubris. On the one hand it was wishful thinking. But on the other, it was an expression of the Zionist mindset, where Palestine just doesn’t exist, and really, it doesn’t as far as Israel is concerned. As far as Israel is concerned, it will never exist, not as a state anyway. Since Israel sees “Palestine” just as a radical and subversive idea that must be kept under unending military occupation, it seeks to crush any resistance as “terrorist”. Any suggestion of Palestinian national coherence is terror.

And that’s the crux of it, because Israel didn’t come to live with Palestine, it came to replace it. This is the settler-colonialist eliminationist strategy, which for all the sugar-coating of the liberals, is at the heart of Zionism.
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Yep. Israel had options, two independent states, or... for now an apartheid state.
"The real question is whether Israel has the right to be a Jewish state that
holds millions of Palestinians as permanent non-citizens under military law."
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[brooklyn13]

An all time stupid construct, which of course you buy into.

Was America a democracy during slavery? How about when dark skin people and women couldn't vote? Or when we were saving Native Americans from savagery? Would you say we've only been a democracy since about 1964, when the Voting Rights Act was passed?

Ask your Bud, the moderator, if Australia is a democracy while all the while treating the Aborigines as subhumans. Funny how you consistently have a double standard, hypocrisy I think it's called.