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[zab]

America is a work in progress,  a hard fought battle to ensure that anyone can achieve equality.  Unfortunately people like you never want to advance everyone's rights, you are just here to remind everyone that life has a history of inequalities. 

[zab]

Looking forward to China assisting Iran and Russia in making Israel apart of Iran and bulldozing Israel away.

[sortagreen]

Was America a democracy during slavery? How about when dark skin people and women couldn't vote? Or when we were saving Native Americans from savagery? Would you say we've only been a democracy since about 1964, when the Voting Rights Act was passed?

I'd disregard your mention of the Voting Rights Act, since that only enforced what was already law. As to your other questions, you would have to say the country was not a democracy when that many of the inhabitants weren't allowed a vote. I'm surprised you would have to ask that.

But you miss the entire point. Israel is not now a Democracy. It was their problem in 1948, when the solution was to drive out sufficient numbers of Palestinian Arabs that they would be assured of a Jewish super majority. But as they've acquired more and more territory, they're faced with that problem again. Levy's point those many years ago, was that Israel had already decided against a 2-state solution. He was correct. A Palestinian state is no longer possible. For better or worse, Israel includes the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights... as well as that little area of Southeast Lebanon... (Shebaa Farms) And if the inhabitants of your are not allowed to vote, then your country is not a democracy. It is an apartheid regime.

Israel can be a Jewish state, or it can be a democracy. It cannot be both. That ship sailed some time ago.

Of course I imagine in your mind Gideon Levy probably just hates Jews. Because that seems to be your answer to anyone who's able to see Israel with clear eyes.

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You love to point out that millions of Israelis are protesting the current political reality. What you never add, is that you fundamentally disagree with them.

[fuagf]

brooklyn13, Guess you will never learn... [...]A year of war accelerates ‘silent departure’ of Israel’s elite
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[...]We can only wonder what the situation would be today if, say before or after.the '67 war, 58 years ago,
the Zionist leaders had recognized the Palestinian right to an independent state as promised them in 1948.
See: By the end of the war, the State of Israel controlled all of the area that the UN had proposed for a Jewish state, as well as almost 60% of the area proposed for an Arab state,[22] including Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Upper Galilee, some parts of the Negev, the west coast as far as Gaza City, and a wide strip along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road. Israel also took control of West Jerusalem, which was meant to be part of an international zone for Jerusalem and its environs. Transjordan took control of East Jerusalem and what became known as the West Bank, annexing it the following year. The territory known today as the Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt.
P - Expulsions of Palestinians, which had begun during the civil war, continued during the Arab-Israeli war. Hundreds of Palestinians were killed in multiple massacres, such as occurred in the expulsions from Lydda and Ramle. These events are known today as the Nakba.
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P - In 1947, against a backdrop of growing violence between Jews and Arabs - and against British rule - the United Nations (UN) voted for Palestine to be split into separate Jewish and Arab states. Jerusalem would become an international city.
P - No Arab nations supported this. They argued the plan gave the Jews more of the land, even though their population was smaller.
P - Britain abstained. It decided to withdraw and to hand the problem to the UN at the end of 14 May 1948.
P - Jewish leaders in Palestine declared an independent state known as Israel hours before British rule ended. Israel was recognised by the UN the following year.
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.. the choice ..
Yep. Israel had options, two independent states, or... for now an apartheid state.
"The real question is whether Israel has the right to be a Jewish state that
holds millions of Palestinians as permanent non-citizens under military law. "

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